Tony Blair silently supports Kerry...

[dd74]

Mum's the word at #10 Downing that kippers might like ketchup:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1294572,00.html

[island911]

Originally posted by dd74
Mum's the word at #10 Downing that kippers might like ketchup:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1294572,00.html

Do the Brit's think that the dem's are somehow still associated with Labour?

. . . John(now, again, against the war)Kerry would be Blairs buddy?

[dd74]

I simply think the Brits are reflecting a lot of what the rest of Europe is feeling.

Conversely, should we as a country get used to the word "isolation" or "isolated?"

[island911]

I, for one, would prefer getting used to the word "isolation" or "isolated" than to the idea of living in world where guys like Saddam are freely buying people to strap-on explosive vests and walk into soft targets.

Considering you work in the US-entertainment-central, I would guess that you would be a sitting duck (so to speak) for these extreme fundamentalists . . . thw one really pissed about US decadence coming to their sandbox.

But, then again; eh . . . maybe I worry too much. Afterall I live on an island.

[dd74]

Well, not quite. We're into cartoons. Even fundamentalist terrorists glow at a giant mallet impact, or an anvil pulling a ragged brown coyote to the desert floor (they relate to this).

Bin Laden, in fact, is a confirmed Tasmanian Devil fan (WB). He's been known to loathe Disney.

Osama once said of Donald Duck, "Who cares what that duck says, because he says nothing anyone understands." **

**Translated from the Arabic: "Powerbrokers of the Middle East Talk Cartoons;" by Latte Riftka, Laughs-A-Lot Magazine, Dec. 1978

[tabs]

Quacking Liberals.....

[kach22i]

I don't know.........they look to be of one mind to me.

[MFAFF]

Ever heard of expediency?

Blair is in serious do do over such an obvious alliance with Bush.
The way the war was sold over here has been very fundamentally questioned and that issue has degraded support for the actions of the current government.

If Kerry wins and changes the US position on Iraq, by perhaps reducing the numbers there or whatever he is proposing then Blair can 'follow' suit and get troops put without having to face a political backlash (justifed or not is irrlevant).

If Bush wins then the current policy will have to be maintained and in the course of the next government it will prove to be a constant thorn in their side....

Remember this is a government whose current primary concern is to ban hunting foxes with dogs......

[cegerer]

" .... or whatever he is proposing ...."

That's part of the problem. JFK's proposing nothing. Oh, except that he promises to make everythng better.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by MFAFF
If Bush wins then the current policy will have to be maintained

You mean Syria and Iran are next? Dang I knew it, we gotta get that nut job out of the whitehouse.

[MFAFF]

If GW feels that way inclined, Toy Town Tony will either have to follow suit or face the music on the whole deal....

[island911]

Originally posted by cegerer
" .... or whatever he is proposing ...."

That's part of the problem. JFK's proposing nothing. Oh, except that he promises to make everythng better.

I think you are being a bit too charitable, there, Curt.

Kerry promises everythng ought to be better. (part of his intelectual-jeanyus help is on the way-plan.

[araine901]

Yeah, we need to get him out. The last thing we need is a president who will hunt down terrorists no matter where they hide. Heck he might even kill some of them, That would be tragic. (the above was a sarcastic response to Catch 22)

[Overpaid Slacker]

W has been as steadfast to Tony as Tony's been to him. I think I read just recently that the head of the Conserative Party visited the US and Bush denied him an audience -- as he said he would do. Evidently, the Conservative Party has been particularly opportunist and underhanded with Mr. Blair, often using the Anglo-American alliance as a weapon against Tony. W said, cut the ***** out or you're out of the herd; the Conservatives kept it up (right up until the report vindicating the intel and the predicate for deciding to go to war, anyway) and W has stood behind his threat.

I'm sure some of our UK Pelican brethren know more about the details than I do, but even as an American who is not fond of Labour, I was impressed with Bush for that. Then again, I like Blair; which is easy if you don't have to live under his government, I suppose.

JP

[joeclarke]

Originally posted by Overpaid Slacker
I was impressed with Bush for that.

...big suprise there JP. Many of your fellow Pelicans are shocked by this admission...

I was even more impressed (than you) about your spelling of "Labour".

On another note - I caught an article in a Canadian paper last week about how Blair has started to lobby George hotly and heavily regarding his jumping onto the Kyoto bandwagon.

It seems that Blair may be seeking quid pro quo for that whole "coalition of the willing" stuff. He has made statements to the effect that the US is a huge dissappointment to the world on this important air quality initiative. (At least Tony continues to keep to the moral high ground.)

Does this bit of news change your posture vis-a-vis Mr. Blair, or is Kyoto possibly one topic where your impression of Mr. Bush is somewhat less than favorable?

[Tyson Schmidt]

Originally posted by araine901
Yeah, we need to get him out. The last thing we need is a president who will hunt down terrorists no matter where they hide. Heck he might even kill some of them, That would be tragic. (the above was a sarcastic response to Catch 22)

Really? So where's Bin Laden again? Oh yeah, I forgot that GWB told us not to worry about him. He's no longer relevant.

[john70t]

Um....would that be because... even after Al Quaida(sp) was holed up in Tora Bora mountains for months, the US military left the Pakistan border open for 2 weeks after commencement of bombing? Privlage of the wealthy family?

With each Londoner being tracked and identified by an average of 200 cameras a day, that sounds more like a Bush thing.

[ubiquity0]

"He's not a priority."

Is anyone ever going to make Bush answerable for this belief of his?!?

[island911]

If you dismantle all of bin-boys infrastructure, then, the guy himself, is only a priority of symbology.

If OBL is held-up in a cave, dying a slow death, as his infrastucture is dismantled, then the chances of some other nut-case picking up the terrorist-torch are dimminished.

read; I'm not too worried about Bushes overall action.

[MFAFF]

Jp

Perhaps you read a different report tome over here..but the two recently published which deal with the Intelligence and the 'doosier' are both negative.

In the one concerning David Kelley's death, (he was Britain's foremost Biological and Chemical weapon's expert) it was concluded that whilst Tb himself had no verifiable hand in exposing him as the source of dissent, there was reason to believe he had been hung out to dry to cover others...

In the One concerning the dossier it was even clearer, there were intelligence failures and omissions, there was very selective editing of the avlaible information desined to support the prevailing paradigm of the Government, however becuase eveyone F##ked up nobody was to blame.

The Conservatives are as opportuniistic and undehand as the Government on th issue, as the Reps and Dems over there.

What GW did was to 'snub' somebody who whilst supporting the troops opposed the war (that's their story anyway). GW viewed that in his 'either you are with us or against us' standpoint and was consistent with it....Good for him.

However I doubt very much that with TB's ascension to head the G8 this year and his statements that climate change is the greatest threat now that :-
1) GW will give him much support
2) Gw will actually care
3) If Gw wins in novemember he will pursue a policy any different to the current ones in that regard...

Also the real successs in OBL's network is that it has no infrastructure.
Its like a franchise and nobody needs to be linked to an HQ for it to work...a small bomb outside an Australian Embassy is enough to remind people its still there.....

OBL himself is irrelevant, but his influence and inspiration are not being stemed by the current US actions in Iraq.