Socialized Medicine

[Superman]

Who here thinks that we're not already paying to provide heath care to ALL our citizens? Okay, here's the reverse of that question, just for clarity purposes: People receive health care even when they cannot pay and do not have insurance....Who thinks we are not already paying the bill for these peoples' health insurance?

Also, who believes we do not have a responsibility to people who are less fortunate than our medically-insured selves? (actually this may be somewhat of a moot point since these people are here, they do need to receive health care, they do in fact receive health care, and the bill is not being paid by the generous people of France, or any other country besides mine)

By the way, I cooked dinner for my daughter recently and her roomate who is a waitress. They are both very young. Mercifully, my daughter is covered under my medical insurance. The roomate is not so fortunate. The roomate has had a persistent cough for many weeks now. She will not go to the doctor because she lacks insurance. She knows that she can go to the E-room, but she says they will send her a bill that she cannot pay. This girl is a doll, a really sweet girl that I am glad my daughter hangs with. If she goes bankrupt (not sure she can even afford bankruptcy) getting through this illness, then she can kiss any business opportunities good bye. So, tell me again about how this is the Land of Opportunity for anyone and everyone and how we're all FREE to make our fortunes and live the American Dream.

[mikester]

Yes, the land of opportunity when my Graduate student sister doesn't have medical insurance (employed by the school she attends) and yet any illegal immigrant can get medical care at no cost any time they need without hesitation.


If you think we don't already have socialized medicine you're very wrong *AND* you're paying the price and still loosing quality facilities from coast to coast.

Your daughter's friend is free to got find a job that offers health insurance (they are everywhere). This is the land of opportunity for those who choose to participate. It is not the land of opportunity for those who want it to be handed to them.

[RickM]

A large segment of our population pay-as-they-go or do without medical care. We do not pay for the healthcare of all citizens.

You think the Healthcare system is expensive now? Let goverment put their paws on it and it will become even more bloated, corrupt and inefficient. Then contend with months long waits to get a critical procedure.

[Moses]

If your daughters roommate is poor, she will qualify for Medicaid or the states program. (Yes, even if she is a student).

If she is employed, but not offerred benefits, she needs to look for work with a larger company.

If she doesn't like either of the other options, she can walk into any E.R. without ID, tell them she's Imelda Marcos and give them a false address. This approach works well for about half the emergency patients in East L.A.

[island911]

Originally posted by Superman
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Also, who believes we do not have a responsibility to people who are less fortunate than our medically-insured selves?

. .. The roomate is not so fortunate. The roomate has had a persistent cough for many weeks now. She will not go to the doctor because she lacks insurance.
. . . If she goes bankrupt (not sure she can even afford bankruptcy) getting through this illness, then she can kiss any business opportunities good bye. So, tell me again about how this is the Land of Opportunity . . .

Clearly, in this Land of Opportunity, you have the opportunity to set an example by covering this girls health expenses . . .right? . . .just the other day you were posting about the "good money" that you fetch, doing what you do. . .so go fer it . . exersize that opportunity of yours. After all, its the fair thing to do.

[red ufo]

This is a country that don't care about its own people or there well being from healthcare. But this country is deeply concered about corporate welfare, especially for military industrial complex. Our money goes for free bombs not free pills.

You have PACs with money from doctors and insurance companies, hospitals to put money in the pockets of Congress so they say the same canned response of 'go **** yourself'.

[VenezianBlau 87]

I think you answered your own question on the big picture.

The girl is smart not to want to ruin her credit so early on...however, with a possible sinus infection or pneumonia...

Maybe a county clinic or something to get a handle on the severity of the situation?

Hell, if she's a good friend to (and influence on) your daughter, why not take her to a Doc in the Box? Sort of a warm fuzzy good deed thing. Anyway, just my first reaction.

[lendaddy]

The girl has a "cough" and is worried about bankrupcy if she goes to a doctor????? Uhhhhhh

Certainly you told her to go to a doctor and worry about $ later????

[red ufo]

She can just go to the hospital, claim she don't speak English, give out a bad social security number, with a fake ID to boot. That way the gov spends alot of money chasing down people who don't exist. After all thats what the illegal aliens do everyday and they don't think twice about it.

[RickM]

Regarding places to work:

I heard that Home Depot offers Medical to all employees (including family)....even part timers.

If true this may be a good place for this young lady to look.

[island911]

"Socialized Medicine"

Quite simply, with the boomer generation in their ~50's, there are not enough doctors and hospitals to meet all of their expectations. Thus, the hospitals get to charge whatever they want, to those paying as they go. If you do have money, and something really nasty happens, the hospital charges are really no different than the mugger saying "you money or your life". The hospitals get to take all of what you got regardless of whether you end up getting to hold on to your life.

But how does "Socialized Medicine" help this? With out more doc's and facilities, competition will push people into a line, full of bureaucracy.

So, you get to die, in line, holding a ticket that reads, AGG5467WT-392, when the "Now Serving" sign reads, AGB0045ND-505.

I suppose that might be a bit of an improvement, but really, infrastructure solutions might keep a lot more people health.

[Superman]

Thanks, Moses and Bob, for the good information.

Hope the rest of you enjoyed creating your posts, but hope you also don't feel like they were helpful or informative.

Pretending like good jobs that pay benefits are open and available to any and all persons wanting them...shows some ignorance. (I'm really not trying to be insulting here) We're quickly becoming and "service" economy, which generally does not provide benefits. And the unemployment rate that is always with us, is basically the equivalent of the person who does not have a seat in Musical Chairs when the music stops. In other words, the number of jobs in our economy is less than the number of available workers. And again, a substantial number of those jobs (which there aren't even enough to go around) are the wonderful "service economy" jobs that provide no benefits. So, the old "let them eat cake" really is not the basis for a social responsibility.

Rick, we pay for all heath care in our country, period. There are no medical services rendered in this country that "we" do not pay for. Some are paid by insurance companies, who get their funds from us and our employers. Some are paid by tax dollars. When a service goes unpaid, the costs are amortized over the services that do have a beneficiary. So, the question really is not "Do we pay for these services or not?" The question is "How do we pay for these services?"

[Superman]

More good suggestions. Yep, it's a big picture thing and questions like capacity and infrastructure come into play. In fact, some say that competition between medical service providers creates some of the inefficiency and needless expense. If a unit has to have a CAT scan to be a "player" in a local market, then maybe all fifteen units in that market need to have one, and maybe there is enough patient demand to keep four of them busy.

I'll pass the Home Depot suggestion on. These two young ladies are certainly reminding me of when I was that age, roughly a thousand years ago. They have no real qualifications, no industry contacts, not even reliable transportation. But they're trying. To get better jobs, and to improve their lives. I'm trying to coach, but you know how young peoples' ears work.......

[rcecale]

Originally posted by island911
Clearly, in this Land of Opportunity, you have the opportunity to set an example by covering this girls health expenses . . .right? . . .just the other day you were posting about the "good money" that you fetch, doing what you do. . .so go fer it . . exersize that opportunity of yours. After all, its the fair thing to do.

And for all this time I thought he was really Clark Kent!!!



Randy

Originally posted by red ufo
claim she don't speak English

Now that's funny.

[Superman]

Where'd you find that picture of me in my pajamas?

So Supe,
Do you want a socialist government as well as social medicine?

[island911]

Originally posted by Superman
Where'd you find that picture of me in my pajamas?

Why I found it right here. . .in the random pic's section.

Dude, ya really shouldn't wear those jamies outside.

. . .I know, I know; your saying "you may laugh at me because I'm different .. . I laugh at you because you're all the same."

But please don't judge us so strictly.

[island911]

Originally posted by Superman
Thanks, Moses and Bob, for the good information.

Hope the rest of you enjoyed creating your posts, but hope you also don't feel like they were helpful or informative.
. ..

LMAO . . .You are on FIRE today.