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World in Crisis
I had a conversation with the late Congressman George Brown....I said that the greastest crisis man had facing him was overpopulation....he agreed with me but felt that technology would be able to meet the challenges of feeding mankind.....I was not so sure.....we both agreed that clean water was going to be a pivotable issue...
It seems that man overpoopulation is destroying the planets ability to regenerate itself...we are using too many of it;s resources to quickly.....everything from Global warming from the overuse of fossil fuels, depletion of the oceans fish, destruction of wilderness/rain forest, to erosion of farm lands. And it's all in the name of economic progress....As the population of the earth increases so will the pace of degradation. At some point in time the earth will reach a saturation point after which there will be a collaspe in the earths human population...one of the great fears at the CDC is that with the clearing of the rain forests an unknown virus might be unleashed that could devastate mankind.... we allready have AIDS which is a slow killer and has claimed in the neighborhood of 30M or so people and Ebola which one strain was one gene away from becoming airborne. Happy weekend pondering the end of the world as we know it.....
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Precisely why I am choosing not to have children...
The future of the planet lies in the following technologies: 1. Contraception 2. Desalination 3. Solar or Nuclear power 4. Plastics recycling If these don't come to pass soon, we're in a world of $hit, quite literally.
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I can see the day when we will be mining landfills for what we threw away....
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I agree that we're in a world of hurt, but...
Contraception Ironically, the major relgions appear to be in a sort of "baby war" Solar or Nuclear power Chernobyl has scred everyone off Plastics recycling Unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation about that, too.
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Really shocking how much we throw away. It would be nice to have a modern return to the homesteading movement like in the early-mid '70s. I grew up for the first few years on a house/acrage my parents built/developed themselves in rural Pennsylvania. It was pretty awesome to learn about things from that perspective, I've tried to keep a lot of that spirit with me as I've moved around all over the country and finally came to rest in SoCal. The first thing I ever drove was a Ford 8N tractor.
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Nuclear power will be revolutionized by the use of pebble reactors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor JCM
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Tabs, you hang around here enough to know the end of the world is God's will.
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I always think of Carl Sagan's "cosmic calendar". Remember that? Humanity has occupied this planet for a mere flicker of time. Dinosaurs roamed our world for a hundred million years. "modern" man? Maybe 10 thousand years. In that time it appears we have nearly brought the planet to it's knees. Of course the planet will survive. It is self-cleaning and indestructable. Humans, on the other hand will someday vanish from this place, probably due to a combination of disease, famine and war. At that point, the big orb just keeps spinning as if we were never here.
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Millions of starving people is sub-saharan Africa have little or no impact on any conditions relating to the sustainability of the planet. They are born, they live a meagre existance and they die. The planet hardly notices that they were even here. On the other hand, consider the impact that those in the economically developed nations, particularily North America have on the planet. These people are born and chew up ten times more of the earth's resources in their life time than the planet is capable of renewing. At the same time they introduce tons of toxic and greenhouse gases and chemicals into the water, soil and atmosphere of the planet. Overpopulation is an issue - just much less of an issue in context of emerging/expanding threats to the viability of the planet and our way of life. It's the people with low levels of reproduction that are screwing up the planet - not the prolific breeders. |
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It's the Emerging Countries like Brazil, and Indonesia that are destroying vast tracts of Rain Forest to develope...It's China that is now BEGINING to suck up resources..
The USA has the most stringent pollution laws around....(Europe probably rivals the US)....yet because we are the largest we do produce more and consume the most....but if U want offenders just look at Russia, Mexico and China....on a percentage basis they have raped the land in comparison to the USA.
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There also is a price to pay for development....there has to be a balance between environment and business.....I can very easily see why the USA walked out on Kyote...the deck was being stacked against the USA...
Without development....we'd all be sitting in the dark, never traveling more than 25 miles from home and working from sun up to sundown....So this whole thing is a 2 edged sword...
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I read yesterday that the United States alone accounted for 36 percent of carbon dioxide emissions in 1990. I'm not sure if this number had been reduced under Clinton, but I know the percentage is now going to go up.
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Oh soooo just BLAME everything on Bushy Coolie....thats the error or chink in your armour....NOBODY is to blame for evrything....That 36% might fluctuate 5% plus or minus every couple of years do to economic conditions in one place or another...
Another thing you sadly don't recognize is the fact that NO MATTER who the President is the Engine of Business and Government continues on ...I call it the system...and whoa to anybody who stands in the way of the system....If you say Kerry is a champion of the Enviroment....I'd have to laugh at how naive you are....Kerry has been bought and paid for by the system...otherwise he wouldn't have been the Democratic Parties Nominee....furthermore the system considers any office holder as only being a TEMPORARY occupant for warming the seat...
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LOL. Just stating that I read that yesterday, and sorry, but Bush has in fact taken us back on environmental regulations.
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Cause he is a bush supporter, why else?
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I agree with Moses, this earth will shake us off like the cancer we are in due time, and "our time" here will be meaningless and immeasurable.
When you look at all living things on this planet, you find that all others are subject to nature's checks and balances; we on the otherhand keep finding loopholes and preventions. The human animal thinks itself more intelligent than the "animals" and creates gods and volumes to prove to itself it's own thoughts. The primary flaw of the human intellect is self-importance, which will be it's downfalling. |
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What I found ironic is that we are the top of the food chain and nothing "preys" on humans. But, in fact, the littlest thing preys on the largest thing (viruses).
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Oh 350 you know better than that....
Yur tone comes off as being Beligerant Coolie...you seem so biased about Bushy that your out of balance and lose perspective of the whole picture. Another thing....you make a statement that is obviously partisan and when challenged on it you throw up a smokscreen of the challenger being whacko..."Out of Control" was one of your statments...I believe...
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http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/econ-emissions.html Why are you concerned about carbon dioxide?
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