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techweenie 10-30-2004 08:52 PM

OBL video transcript
 
I haven't seen this in the newspapers nor elsewhere on the web:

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To begin: Peace be upon he who follow the Guidance.

People of United States, this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar in human life and that free men do not forfeit their security contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain why did not strike - for example - Sweden.

And we know that freedom haters do not possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who do not sleep under oppression.

We want to restore freedom to our Nation and just as you lay waste to our Nation so shall we lay waste to yours.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real cause and thus the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and I shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken for you to consider.

I say to you Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike towers.

But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the America/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a difficult way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American 6th fleet helped them in that.

And the whole world saw and heard but did not respond.

In those difficult moments many hard to describe ideas bubbled in my soul but in the end they produced intense feelings of rejection of tyranny and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressors in kind and that we destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

We have not found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half of which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth.

This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Senior to the region at a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries. All of a sudden he was affected by these monarchies and military regimes and became jealous of their remaining decades in their position to embezzle the public wealth of the Nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act under the pretences of fighting terrorism.

In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors and did not forget to import expertise in election fraud from the regions presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.
All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration.

And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone at a time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers we were given three times the period required to execute the operations. All praise is due to Allah.
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(from Aljazeera)

jyl 10-30-2004 09:39 PM

I gather there is more, right? I thought only 1 minute of a 5-minute tape was aired.

techweenie 10-31-2004 06:31 AM

I've heard various accounts... in one partial transcript, I read the 'voices' of two other people.

But this is all Aljazeera has on their site.

cegerer 10-31-2004 08:10 AM

That sounds moore like John Kerry's acceptance speech at the DNC convention last summer? :confused:

lendaddy 10-31-2004 08:12 AM

My favorite line was a call to our electorate saying "liberals don't disregard security"

OHhhhhhhh, well thanks Osama, I'm gonna pull the Kerry lever now that I know he's strong on security:

cegerer 10-31-2004 08:21 AM

Of course, that pillar of unbiased reporting - Walter Cronkite - actually believes that Karl Rove produced the Bin Laden tape. .... :eek:

Here's the transcript from Larry King last night!

<i>CRONKITE: What we just heard. So now the question is basically right now, how will this affect the election? And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing. The advantage to the Republican side is to get rid of, as a principal subject of the campaigns right now, get rid of the whole problem of the al Qaqaa explosive dump. Right now, that, the last couple of days, has, I think, upset the Republican campaign. </i>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/29/lkl.01.html

tabs 10-31-2004 12:26 PM

If Carl Rove set this up.....U liberals are wasting your breath...the deal has allready gone down....and an election never happened....Hail Caesar Bush.....

dd74 10-31-2004 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tabs
If Carl Rove set this up.....U liberals are wasting your breath...the deal has allready gone down....and an election never happened....Hail Caesar Bush.....
Rome imploded too, BTW.

Hugh R 10-31-2004 01:23 PM

I'd sure like to hear the rest of what bin Ladin has to say. I don't for a second believe what our politicians have to say, republican or democrat on what drives bin Ladin or the other terrorists. I remember Bush once said they hate us for our way of life, Kerry has said similar things. If I were muslim living in the mid-east, I'd probably resent the way the US props up Isreal and the way they treat the non-jewish citizen of their country. Did you know we give Isreal over $3 billion a year in foreign aid, that $10 million per day? And what do we get out of the deal?

techweenie 11-01-2004 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hugh R
I'd sure like to hear the rest of what bin Ladin has to say. I don't for a second believe what our politicians have to say, republican or democrat on what drives bin Ladin or the other terrorists. I remember Bush once said they hate us for our way of life, Kerry has said similar things. If I were muslim living in the mid-east, I'd probably resent the way the US props up Isreal and the way they treat the non-jewish citizen of their country. Did you know we give Isreal over $3 billion a year in foreign aid, that $10 million per day? And what do we get out of the deal?
Coudn't agree more.

Bin Laden said in his 1998 fatwah that part of the reason for his (upcoming) strike against the US was the deaths of 100,000 Iraqi children during the economic embargo of Iraq. Mostly, I think he and the Mujahadeen considered themselved betrayed by Reagan/Bush1 when they were used to fight the Soviets and then abandoned (not sure what else we could have done, though).

gaijinda 11-01-2004 07:58 AM

The rest of what this madman has to say? Have you finished your KKK literature and Mein Kampf?

Give us all a break. The is a pit 5 stories deep outside of my window, I have heard enough from this psychopath for one lifetime..

As for foreign aid, dont forget what we pay the Egyptians and dozens of other regimes around the world. And think of the petro-dollars flowing into the Arab world the next time you fill your tank. Not "foreign aid" exactly, but the closest thing to free money in this world economy.

lendaddy 11-01-2004 08:02 AM

Go to drudge and see where OBL says he will only attack states that vote for Bush, sounds like a ringing endorsement to me, get real.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/33124.htm

techweenie 11-01-2004 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaijinda
The rest of what this madman has to say? Have you finished your KKK literature and Mein Kampf?
He's no more a madman than GWB. He has definte reasons for doing what he does, and like Bush, his God guides him.

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If you know yourself but do not know your enemy,
you will sometimes meet with victory, sometimes with defeat.

If you know your enemy but do not know yourself,
you will sometimes meet with victory, sometimes with defeat.

But if you know yourself and you know your enemy,
you will be victorious on a hundred occasions.

Sun-Tsu, circa 500 b.c.

red-beard 11-01-2004 08:13 AM

If this is the real transcript, then I will have to throw myself into the group that thinks this is a fake.

I mean, he is attacking George Bush for not foiling his attack. Either there is some amazing mental instability, the translation is not correct, or this is fake.

304065 11-01-2004 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Techweenie:

Quote:

He's no more a madman than GWB. He has definte reasons for doing what he does, and like Bush, his God guides him.
You just made my ignore list. Good bye.

chibone_914 11-01-2004 08:21 AM

Why doesn't it suprise me that Al Jazeera and Techweenie both support the liberal senator from Massachusetts.............

lendaddy 11-01-2004 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by techweenie
He's no more a madman than GWB. He has definte reasons for doing what he does, and like Bush, his God guides him.

You're unbelievable man, truly. What a sad , sorry ass display of just how underhanded you guys can be. I sometimes wonder how we have any civil discussions. Every now and then you let it slip just how off-the-deep-end you are.

gaijinda 11-01-2004 08:37 AM

Dont be quoting Sun-Tsu on this one. Yes, bin Laden's rantings should be examined as a way of catching and destroying him, his followers and fellow travelers. But to think we have something to "learn" or somehow change in order to appease, you have got to be kidding. But I am afraid you are not..

And the moral equivalence thing? You cannot be blamed, Tech. You have grown up around this sickness. Think deep, pray even. There is a light at the end of your dark tunnel.

widebody911 11-01-2004 08:39 AM

OBL and GWB are two sides of the same coin. Anything that can be said about one can be said about the other; just replace [God|Bible|War on Terror] with [Allah|Koran|Jihad] OBL is smarter, GWB has more ordnance and better accomodations.

techweenie 11-01-2004 08:40 AM

I suppose if all you listen to are Faux News and Rush, you'd fail to see the parallels that are clear to the rest of the world.

OBL kills 3,000 innocent Americans to send a message. GWB kills somewhere between 12 and 20,000 Iraqi civilians and imprisons 11,000 more -- innocent and guilty alike -- in an attack on a petty dictator.

Both are justified by the words of their own God(s).

OBL wants chaos in the US and wants the Islamic countries left alone. GWB wants a sympathetic government put in place in an oil-rich nation his cronies are itching to exploit.

I'm anxious to hear the major differences delineated instead of just knee-jerk howling.

red ufo 11-01-2004 08:42 AM

I have to agree with Tech weeni, but say GW is more of a madman than UBL is.

The score right now is.

UBL 3,000 dead
GW 100,000 Iraq
GW 30,000 Afgha

130,000
3,000
127,000 GW is more of a mass murder than UBL. Both are blinded by religion.

However back on the topic. This fake UBL says he attacked us over our policy in the region. Basically its you piss in our sandbox and we'll piss back in yours.

The Jesus freaks over in the US have a problem with that. They think the US is #1 and we have a back stage pass to go and tinker with any country we please. We can lie our way into somebody's soil, blow up their home and they should be thankful, for that. If they bomb us its terrorism, if we bomb them its liberty. This double speak is most of the reason behind terrorism.

Don't matter if Kerry or Bush is in office, continue the same policy of Amerika being the Worlds Police station, and you can expect to be attacked by the victims we create as we go.

304065 11-01-2004 08:42 AM

Bye Thom! Gonna miss your tech posts!

widebody911 11-01-2004 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by john_cramer
Bye Thom! Gonna miss your tech posts!
Did I just get *PLONKED*?

Superman 11-01-2004 09:16 AM

Understanding OBL is key to eliminating terrorism. Truly understanding OBL will cause the thinker to understand some of his motivations and decisions. That’s not the same as supporting them, but if you truly come to understand where they’re coming from, then you’ll see some logic and justification. If all you see is demonism and irrational violent evil, then you’re a blind, ignorant Bush supporter who thinks we can just drop bombs on Muslims for a while and increase our security.

And if that’s where you’re at, then when someone points out some relevant aspect of OBL’s thinking, likely one that can actually be used to eliminate his organization, then instead of rubbing your chin and saying “interesting….,” you’re going to shout “WITCH…..HE’S A WITCH…..BURN HIM.”

techweenie 11-01-2004 09:26 AM

Funny that some people confuse 'knowing your enemy' with some form of accommodation. Sounds more emotional than logical to me.

You learn about your enemy so you can defeat him. Further, the more we know about OBL, the better we can devise a strategy that defeats his (potentially thousands of) successors.

My personal opinion is that the invasion of Afghanistan was well-justified and that if we had done the job right and established a structure for self-rule, we would be miles ahead of where we are now -- in safety; in world support and in moral leadership.

VaSteve 11-01-2004 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OBL

This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Senior to the region at a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries. All of a sudden he was affected by these monarchies and military regimes and became jealous of their remaining decades in their position to embezzle the public wealth of the Nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act under the pretences of fighting terrorism.

In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors and did not forget to import expertise in election fraud from the regions presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.
All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration.

Is it me, or did we hear almost this same exact theme (in different words) from some other source earlier last week? I was busy all weekend and stayed away (mostly) from here so I don't think I read/heard it here. Anyone else think they have heard this from someone other than OBL recently??

Superman 11-01-2004 10:45 AM

I'd agree that Afghanistan was a necessary engagement. I'd have preferred that we apply more resources there to get the job done right and done completely.

And I think Iraq and some other countries earned our attention as well, but I would not have put all my eggs in any of those baskets, like Dubya did.

Hey, I notice that our intelligence people, and Blair's, got it all wrong about Iraq. Either that, or we're not told what our leaders knew. And since 9/11 we've been unable to locate OBL. It looks like we're flying blind. Personally, I'm thinking that the efforts we should have been putting into intelligence....have not been put in. In my humble view, intelligence is a huge part of "where it's at" in the game of combating terrorism. But then, most of you already know I don't think this is a conventional "war" situation. In conventional war situations, the objective is to capture or control real estate, and seek a surrender from a central authority. This is different. Unless you're Dubya, in which case it's all really simple.

cool_chick 11-01-2004 10:46 AM

-----Root causes of terrorism-----

Damn i get tired of saying that.

Superman 11-01-2004 10:47 AM

Steve, you've heard it from any one of millions of sources. This concept is considered "knowledge" by most of the analysts of the world. By neocons of course, it's considered treachery to suggest it.

techweenie 11-01-2004 10:59 AM

Anyone else think the main audience for this tape is intended to be his followers and the rest of the world?

First, OBL probably knows less than 5% of Americans will ever hear a sgnificant part of the tape. Second, I doubt he's stupid or uninformed enough to think the notion of Bush1 'appointing' his sons as governors will play outside of the third world...


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