which president has lost the most jobs?

[kumma]

How about a break from the usual political crap.

All these bogus campaign ads started me thinking about this. I dont mean statistics on usa work force which we all know the president doesnt directly affect.

I mean how many jobs has a president been fired from himself?

My guess would be Reagan actors seem to have many jobs just none acting.

[cegerer]

Probably not Clinton or Kerry - I don't think either ever held a private sector job. Did they?

[island911]

Hmmm. . . I suppose we do know that Clinton likely got a lot of jobs.

Whether, each one of those jobs he lost it we won't know.

[350HP930]

Is being a proscutor a job? I guess some people don't want to admit that kerry has worked for a living before he married into a wealthy family, just like john mccain did for example.

[lendaddy]

Yep, being a prosecutor is sorta a real job, so technically Kerry did hold a job for about two years in his lifetime. Oh, no one gets fired from the government so he's batting 1.000.

[350HP930]

Well, until someone presents some info that kerry's family and friends pulled strings to get him into school, the military and business his career path appears a whole lot more legitimate than bush's.

[bryanthompson]

2 more days...

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Well, until someone presents some info that kerry's family and friends pulled strings to get him into school, the military and business his career path appears a whole lot more legitimate than bush's.

Yes, sort of like getting his political ticket punched for his four months in Vietnam...kerry needed some seriously conservative credentials to rid him of his lable as a liberal, anti-war activist or even a traitor to some. A prosecutor title was just what he needed.

After Vietnam...of course; Kerry tried politics…his goal all along. He was the same kind of political carpetbagger as Hillary was…just less successful. According to one biography: He “tried on congressional districts like suits off the rack. In less than two months in early 1972, the antiwar leader called three different districts in Massachusetts home. To this day, he bears the brand of opportunist from that brazen district-hopping, which he acknowledges as part of his political "baggage."

Although he was backed by high-roller, liberal Hollywood types like “filmmaker Otto Preminger, author George Plimpton, composer Leonard Bernstein, and other celebrities” and married into a rich family and was able to run “the most expensive congressional race in the country that year.” He was still a loser.
It didn’t help that his campaign was caught in the act of “dirty tricks.” On the eve of the primary, his brother and his campaign director were arrested for breaking and entering with intent to commit larceny after being caught breaking into the headquarters of his contender around 2 a.m. -just hours before the election polls opened.

Since he could not get elected anywhere….and certainly didn’t want to get a real job….Kerry went to law school. Some say with the criminal element and tactics that he used to run for office….it was only a natural tool to pursue…..ie..do what you know.....
Although he claims to be brilliant, apparently his undergraduate record and LSAT scores were less than stellar…and he had to settle for Boston College (instead of Yale or Harvard) where he graduated in ’76 without any academic honors.

After graduation, he was a prosecutor for almost 3 years, but spent very little time trying criminals….despite his “fighting crime” commercials. Due to his political skills, he was promoted to an administration position only one month after receiving his license (ahead of more seasoned attorneys) to practice and actually only took two felony cases before a jury. What he really did was run the reelection campaign for the current DA who was ailing and whom Kerry hoped to succeed in office. After being reelected, the DA essentially dismissed Kerry in 1978. Fortunately…there were other offices to run for and a rich wife for support.

[350HP930]

Interesting info there fint, you got any links to your sources?

[fintstone]

It is all common knowledge. Any serious biography (ie..not from the Kerry campaign) has this info.

[350HP930]

Like?

[fintstone]

Here are a couple of interesting links:
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/09/john_kerry_laps.html
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061803.shtml

[350HP930]

Well, unlike your blog piece the boston globe article was quite good. I find an interesting contrast between your interpretation of what he did while a prosecutor . . .

Originally posted by fintstone
After graduation, he was a prosecutor for almost 3 years, but spent very little time trying criminals….despite his “fighting crime” commercials. Due to his political skills, he was promoted to an administration position only one month after receiving his license (ahead of more seasoned attorneys) to practice and actually only took two felony cases before a jury. What he really did was run the reelection campaign for the current DA who was ailing and whom Kerry hoped to succeed in office. After being reelected, the DA essentially dismissed Kerry in 1978. Fortunately…there were other offices to run for and a rich wife for support.

And what the globe has to say about the same time period . .

For almost 21/2 years in the late 1970s, Kerry guided the transformation of the DA's office. As first assistant to Droney, a wily pol afflicted by Lou Gehrig's disease, he reformed a plodding, hidebound operation.

He became the alter ego of Droney, whose mind was sharp but who suffered impaired speech and mobility as he faced a tough reelection challenge in 1978.

"John Kerry in effect became the legs and voice John Droney no longer had," recalled Peter W. Agnes Jr., then a young lawyer in the office and now a superior court judge. "He provided youth, vitality, and charisma."

With a $3.8 million infusion of federal funds he helped obtain, Kerry nearly tripled the staff, and many of the new hires were women. He launched initiatives that were innovative at the time: special units to prosecute white-collar and organized crime, programs to counsel rape victims and aid other crime victims and witnesses, and a system for fast-tracking priority cases to trial. He also directed the investigation that led to the first conviction of Somerville's Howie Winter, one of the state's notorious gangsters. Despite his administrative duties, Kerry managed to try some cases and won convictions in a high-profile rape case and a murder.

"I won't say everybody loved him, but he was always there and probably the most natural trial lawyer on his feet I ever saw," said J. William Codinha, who succeeded Kerry as first assistant and who remains a close friend.

Originally posted by 350HP930
Well, until someone presents some info that kerry's family and friends pulled strings to get him into school, the military and business his career path appears a whole lot more legitimate than bush's.

and where's your proof, mr 3fitty?

[bryanthompson]

Well, if you liked the Globe piece, you'll love the book "Our Plan for America" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1586483145/102-6496784-0788902?v=glance)

It was written by a boston globe reporter. The same reporter who wrote his biography, IIRC.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Well, unlike your blog piece the boston globe article was quite good. I find an interesting contrast between your interpretation of what he did while a prosecutor . . .


And what the globe has to say about the same time period . .

Well your post certainly backs up mine (Although I did not depend solely on what his longtime friend said..as you did). It mentions the 2 lone felony cases (a rape and a murder) oh..and the "notorious gangster"...wasn't he the one who sought to corner the local pinball game market..LOL (No joke).

Oh...and "tripling the staff" to do the same amount of work costing an additional $3.8 million tax dollars ('76 dollars mind you)..certainly was a sign of things to come...wasn't it?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Is being a proscutor a job? I guess some people don't want to admit that kerry has worked for a living before he married into a wealthy family, just like john mccain did for example.

Better check the dates....JK was married to the heiress before he was a prosecutor....Even before he went to law school! He was always a kept man.

wrong again.....

[island911]

[bryanthompson]

[911pcars]

Kerry's work in Senate investigations bear reviewing, as summarized here in a Christian Science article:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0303/p02s01-uspo.html

Flint,
Early in his Senate career, Kerry investigated the drugs-for-arms connection with Reagan's point man and your buddy, Oliver North, during the Iran-Contra investigations, but the drug issue was too hot an issue to confront Reagan's USA back in the 80's. Thus, not one word of the drug connection during the hearings.

I'd say he's a pretty hard worker even for a civil servant.

Sherwood