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I would not post stuff like this if I were you.

JCM

From your question I'm guessing you don't have a lòt of experience with guns.
My first choice for home defence would be the 410 pump for the reasons already given, intimidation factor and ease of use.
For pistols I would suggest starting with a midsize .22 auto such as a High Standard (I don't know if they're still made, but any quality auto about 8" would fit the bill) and then plenty of range time and training for BOTH YOU AND YOUR WIFE. Then later, for a home defense pistol I would suggest a 357 revolver loaded with 38 specials. 9mm para may have too much penetration for home use. 45acp is a great round but I don't think is the best beginner's round.
Despite the mouse gun comments I get, I personally like the 32acp which is what I usually carry as does my daughter.

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Milu just read what I posted.
He suggests that a proper 22lr target pistol such as a FAS or Walther would be a great beginner's choice for home defense. He's quite expert on the subject but I think the 5 round magazine may be an issue.

IMO, 22LR is not a defense round. Also, a 9mm will punch holes quicker than it will bring down an out of control, pcp soaked intruder.

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I can tell you what a good gun is...

It's called a pistol pete.

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Sorry.

OMG! Isn't that one of those 'personal massagers'???

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That's home of the Brave, retard! Get it straight! At least we live in a country that allows gun ownership.

You are the big joke.............:D

Isa actually wrote: "I don't know if they're STILL made"

The advantage of the .22 especially for a beginner is ease of use and that one does not become gun shy as one might starting with a larger calibre.

22 for defensive use? I seem to remember experts such as Dean Grennel and Massad Ayoob amongst others suggesting it under certain conditions - such as for a novice where it may help a lot with placement - better a hit with a 22 than a miss with a 44.

As you rightly say: Limited information and, Confer with an expert. The difficult part is identifying a true expert who really understands the individual requirements and interprets them in the light of the individual's profile. eg In my case I am uncomfortable shooting revolvers and the Beretta 92 does not fit my hand - neither would be a good choice for me.

9mm stopping power has been a discussion point for years, it is generally accepted that the 357 and 45 acp are superior but 9mm loaded to NATO spec will certainly perform a bit better than the usual loading and it is usually hardball that is used for comparisons. If loaded with hollowpoints, (assuming your auto won't choke on them) the 9mm will perform better than expected. Performance will again improve with some of the more modern rounds - I'm not sure if these are freely available in the US to non-police. I think it was Evan Marshall or Leroy Thompson that did lots of comparisons on stopping power, I'm afraid I haven't really kept up with the subject as my interest nowadays is mostly target. Ultimate stopping power indoors is probably a shotgun with a short barrel.

My own personal choice is 7.65 parabellum (anachronistic I know).

"Sorry, it needs to be a hand gun."

Ok, here's a handgun for ya. The AR pistol:

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Spoken in true representative style of the global village idiot. :D

A few months at the shooting range will be needed as well. I'm certain it's been mentioned above but it's worth repeating.

Yep, its why you all manage to fatally shoot 28,000 of your fellow countrymen each year-(or at least you did in 1999), and wound another 75,000.

Knock yourself out. Its hard to imagine being so frightened of the world.

stuart

I dunno, Stuart, I'm an American and I hardly ever shoot anyone. I don't plan on trading in either of these anytime soon, and I'm considered a lefty here: :D

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Too funny - looks like Mr. Boogie man is gonna hit the jackpot in your drawer there buddy! A nice piece and a wad of cash to boot.

You better explain what that blue thing is.

Indeed. Current US population is 294,726,241. That means one in every 2,861 yanks is gonna bust a cap in another ones butt each year.

Applying those numbers to the average merkun's life span (66) does this mean one in 43 will taste the lead at least once in their lifetime???

Never was good at maths.

many are accidents ofcourse, Victor. Say where a kid gets hold of a Glock thats sitting in someones deskdrawer, and shoots his little sister. Or where someone does break in- steals the gun and shoots the gun owner.....

stuart