Americans have been slow at recognizing what is going on...and making the necessary changes...This country carries on business as usual regardless of the consequences...Sooner or later the piper has to be paid....In essence the USA ran a GUNS AND BUTTER economy for the duration of the Cold War...

This Guns and Butter approach put a $4 Trillion debt on the table has made SS insolvent after waht is it 2011...putting the SS tax proceeds into the General Fund instead of keeping them seperate...The Democratic Congress (they held control until from the 1930's through1994 with brief exceptions) held the purse strings and spent lavishly on Social issues most of which have turned into utter failures...

The American people want to be fat dumb and happy and will do anything to make sure they get to watch Monday Night Football instead of paying attention to the Nightly Business Report...as a consequence they notice they have to work more hours for less pay and wonder why it's all happening...

Not only that they have the expectation that their children get to keep their SUV and home in the suburbs without having to to sacrafice and make the effort to educate themselves to face the upcoming onslought of foreign competition who will do it better and cheaper than they are willing to....

Circles, you talk in complete circles.

I've mentioned the wage gap I'd say at least 5 times now.

Tabs, I kinda feel like it's out of my hands......

Could you show them to me? The post below obviously wouldn't count...because of course...you are posting about the "monetary difference between the rich and poor "...which, as I posted is not the same as a "wage gap."

RE: then tax away/redistribute the rest.

1. FACT the monetary difference between the rich and poor is WIDENING and has been WIDENING for a long time, which makes this statement COMPLETELY FALSE....a LIE if you will.

2. Fiscal responsibility seems to not be a priority among republicans. What a disgusting trait. I find those who are responsible with their money (as I am) very appealing. Glad I know how you feel about being responsible.

WTF?

How the hell else does a gap become larger?

Well all I can say is it's a good thing that these "liberal" politicians aren't really "redistributing the wealth" since the GAP has been consistently widening for 35 years. One would think if all this "wealth" were redistributed, there would be little GAP.

Few people become rich via wages. Most do by investment, starting their own business, etc.

A person could make millions each year from stock and earn no wage whatsoever. Another could have significant wages but no wealth due to lack of saving, investment, etc. A third could make a very low wage...save and invest well...and become wealthy. All of these are unrelated to wages.

A strong stock market is one way the gap in wealth would become larger.

Which gap?

What redistribution?

Taxes collected from earners and spent for social programs...I already mentioned a good example....Earned Income Credit. Now ewe>>>LOL.

And you are saying the liberals are solely responsible for the Earned Income Credit?

BTW, you can have it...doesn't benefit me whatsoever...does it benefit you?

No. I answered your question about "what redistribution." Sheesh! It is just such a simple example that I thought that even you could understand. It doesn't matter if it benefits you personally or not....it is an example.

This whole conversation started with you and your "liberal politicians" and redistribution. So I ask you a valid question: And you are saying the liberals are solely responsible for the Earned Income Credit?

And the other question was a side question...why are you afraid to answer? You DO benefit! :)

Sorry to break it to you...but I am one of those folks that you hate so much and that your side defines as "rich" (or would that be the "evil rich?"). Obviously I not only do not benefit from it...but I pay heavily for it.

Then read my answer....I said no both times you asked.

What the hell would make you think I'm not well off as well?????

I love the assumptions that are made by you guys. It's so funny!

Never said you were not...but...your reponse seems to indicate otherwise. You know what they say...the guilty dog barks first....Also, you seem to have very little understanding of economics or taxes...and have trouble using the terminology necessary to earn much money. I guess you could be a pro basketball player, an actress, or have inherited or married money...Considering your age and relative lack of knowledge.. I doubt that you have earned or invested extremely well....

My comments have been solely on your untrue remark: liberal politicians redistribute the wealth in this country.

That's IT.

And it appears you are the one who has little understanding of the tax system in this country and what it takes to keep the government afloat the way it is currently set up. Sucks, but if they lower the percentage of the very rich to the same rate as someone who makes, say $50,000, then the government WILL NOT generate much revenue.

Your efforts would be better served changing the whole structure of the taxes (i.e., flat tax) instead of blaming liberals for everything.

OMG how ignoramously presumuous and extremely rude and disrespectful of you. Who the hell do you think you are? You have NO IDEA about how damn hard I've worked to get where I am at today, through college as well as the ladder, and have no clue as to my income, investments or knowledge.

Who in the HELL do you think you are to talk to me like that?

This thread reminds me of Coolie's attempted explanation of 'defecit"..Remeber that one?

Simply brilliant. :rolleyes:

FIrst this, and now 952 (who has the same annoying way of attacking the person asking the question vs. actually answering the question) They need to lock up OT like they did on Rennlist. Seriously...

Randy, WHO IS ATTACKING WHOM HERE? Looks like Fint is attacking the person, ME!

Disgusting.

And while your at it, can you validate fint's comments of "liberal politicians redistributing the wealth?"

Randy
Yes...Like fighting a battle of wits with an unarmed foe.....I am so glad I put both of them on ignore. Maybe if everyone put them on ignore........30 posts later, they might win their argument.

Ahhh great idea

Iggy is nice :)

Concerning Flintstone - Actually no, I can't.

But, it doesn't take a PHD to see that you're rambling in circles.

Same damn thing "BUAAH! BUUUTT HOOWWW DOO YUU KNOW WHAAAT IIMMM THHIIINNKIING! YUUU DON'T KNOWWW MEEE! " and enough hair splitting in your arguments to give an Johnny Cochran a hard - on.

rjp

Now without the distaractions, lets get back to Dr. Rice.. You've got to love Neal Boortz take on this:

THE CONDI-BASHING CONTINUES
The leftist lynching of Condi Rice continues without letup. Now she's an "Aunt Jemimah" and a sellout. Woe be until any black American who strays from the strict and heavily guarded confines of the Democratic plantation.

The relentless attacks by the media and the liberal establishment continue against Secretary of State Nominee Condoleezza Rice. As predicted, the left has now decided to play the "sellout" card. You see, any black American that does not agree with the agenda of liberals in this country is a traitor -- an Uncle Tom -- a sellout -- and they can't be trusted. It's the same thing that happened to Clarence Thomas.

The latest example of this comes to us courtesy of some radio guy in Madison, Wisconsin named John Sylvester. On the air Wednesday, he called Dr. Rice "Aunt Jemima" (after the black woman on the pancake mix box) and Colin Powell an "Uncle Tom." His reasoning? "I was aiming that directly at a black person that is letting himself (and herself) be used by an administration that has been extremely hostile to minorities." Oh really? What could he possibly be talking about? How has George Bush been the least bit hostile to minorities? By being the first to appoint them to high offices? Please. It seems that there are some members of the minority community out there who would dry up and blow away if they couldn't whine that someone somewhere was being "hostile" towards them.

Actually, this has nothing to do with race. It's about an intolerant leftist ideology that doesn't accept any other views. Unless you toe the line for the Democratic party, you're an Uncle Tom and a sellout.

I asked for validation to his statement. He can't give any. He's the one who's dancing in circles.

He can't prove his statement that "liberal politicians are redistributing the wealth" and you know why? Cuz it's not a true statement.

All he had to do was back his statement up with fact. But he can't...hence, his hedging and circles.

And because he can't prove it, he deters by insulting my intelligence, income, career, livelihood....

ridiculous.

Since some of the liberals questioned Dr. Rice's qualifications... Here is her Bio:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

What a shame. The deterioration of a potentially interesting OT thread.. for some strange reason.

only to close up my previous previous thoughts to those "interesting" people that gave sung that Soprano song
"foogettbbboutt".. what was the thought again?

I can easily speculate in my little mind that Bush is conducting two wars. The military war is as clear as the military allows us to figure. The not so clear looking war is the economic war. Our two biggest enemies are India and China. The assets in this economic war is our present economic power. It has been a winner since WW2, no question. Always working twords other countries democracies thus economic systems thus jobs thus production thus world trading partners.
Anyway our economic power is being threatned. If our economic power is being threatned our standards of living are being threatned.

As the military needs weapons the economic machine needs weapons.. again, the weapons we currently have have been a winner since WW2. The current reinforcement is a talored approach, as much as politically possible, to encourage capitol formation and high end production. A gov't can not make management decisions for success. A gov't can only create an environment for the human spirit to be stimulated to be the meanest mothers in the whole world.

Is every person happy with Any of this? I don't thing so? Can that unhappy person's children be eventually happy with All of this? I think so.

i don't know what i'm ranting about! foogettbbboutt.

I would agree with you Ronin Except Bush's spending is far exceeding the Federal Gov's income. Even Greenspan is warning Bush that this spending spee must stop or that Bush must raise taxes.. These policies are not the best for business's to grow as economic climate must also take in how the government is spending.
Back on Topic- Condi Rice doesn't have the International respect of C. Powell and is a lame appointment by Bush but when you are scraping the bottom of the barrel of yesmen to appoint......
Geoff