Convicted felons counted votes Nov. 2nd
 

My tin foil hat slipped off, sorry you had to see this.

Who counted your vote?

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm
Check this out - No less than 5 of Diebold's developers are convicted felons, including Senior Vice President Jeff Dean, and topping the list are his twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree. According to the findings of fact in case no. 89-1-04034-1 (Washington State):

I did interviews and hiring at my last job, and do it at our current company in my department.

What would surprise you are the number of people out there who have been convicted of a crime in their past. Personally I feel if the person has been good since it happened, 'fessed up and noted it on their application and its been a while since it occured I would consider them for a job. Am not going to hire a "chainsaw murderer" but something non-violent is not an issue.

Was doing a checkride years ago for two pilots to get them upgraded to Captain. They have to apply to the FAA each time and there is a box to check for "felony conviction" on the form. Interesting thing was that we found out that both had been convicted of a felony and both were drug charges, one being pot and one being coke. Both happened over 25 years before and were not a factor at all, either with the company or FAA. Seems that growing up in the '60 or '70's many people got busted.

Not saying anything if its happened in the last 7 years in a initial job interview is not real good. We can ask if someone has been convicted of a crime in the last 7 years but past this time its illegal for us to inquire. You see it on job application forms often without the 7 year limitation and thats not legal, however very few people will challenge it.

Regarding voting, if they have served their time or probation is over why shouldnt they be allowed to vote? They are still citizens of this country, pay taxes and should be allowed a say so in the process.

Joe A

Five people who "live" in an empty lot near me voted. So did 10 people with an address in a factory building. That they may be non-citizens, or felons does not bother me that much. I just wish they existed...

I'm with the school of thought that if it's an old record and you paid or did your time, then you should be able to vote. That is why the whole Florida 2000 felon list made no sense to me.

However the chumps (all the same mafia type family) that run Diebold and ES&S are criminals, getting caught at different stages of the game/vote. They are currently paying California from the next to the last election because the system broke down and the counties switched to paper in the middle of it. They had to count everything by hand costing time and materials which had to be reimbursed for tens of thousands.

These guys can't vote in Florida, but they can control the count in Florida, what's wrong with this picture?

Related the GOA is investigating:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/23/election.investigation/index.html

Joe- these aren't exactly unrelated minor pot-smoking-in-college charges:

"Check this out - No less than 5 of Diebold's developers are convicted felons, including Senior Vice President Jeff Dean, and topping the list are his twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree. According to the findings of fact in case no. 89-1-04034-1 (Washington State):

“Defendant’s thefts occurred over a 2 1/2 year period of time, there were multiple incidents, more than the standard range can account for, the actual monetary loss was substantially greater than typical for the offense, the crimes and their cover-up involved a high degree of sophistication and planning in the use and alteration of records in the computerized accounting system that defendant maintained for the victim, and the defendant used his position of trust and fiduciary responsibility as a computer systems and accounting consultant for the victim to facilitate the commission of the offenses."

To sum up, he was convicted of 23 felony counts of theft from by - get this - planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection. Do you trust computer systems designed by this man? Is trust important in electronic voting systems?
:eek:

No, but then again I'm a pinko liberal Democrat.;)

gotta go.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1101324991.jpg

So, then, you don't think convicted felons should be allowed to work? What about all of the schooling and training we give to felons? Is that not for the purpose of getting them jobs? Why is anyone going to hire them when people like you are going to ridicule their employers?

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Do you really believe that expressing a lack of trust in this guy holding the Vice Presidency of Diebold:

“Defendant’s thefts occurred over a 2 1/2 year period of time, there were multiple incidents, more than the standard range can account for, the actual monetary loss was substantially greater than typical for the offense, the crimes and their cover-up involved a high degree of sophistication and planning in the use and alteration of records in the computerized accounting system that defendant maintained for the victim, and the defendant used his position of trust and fiduciary responsibility as a computer systems and accounting consultant for the victim to facilitate the commission of the offenses."

equals a blanket belief that felons should not be allowed to work??? Come on :rolleyes:

LIBERAL!!! LIBERAL!!! LIBERAL!!! LIBERAL!!!

You sound like a liberal when you want to, stop trying to confuse us.:D

Also I think ubiquity0 has a point, are you serious man? What the heck, someone lies, cheats, steals and commits fraud.............gets caught and is in a position to repeat, rinse and lather.

I feel so dirty and violated. :eek:

Well I do have a problem with someone who commits theft. It shows a weak character and that they might be willing to do other things for monetary gain.

Now if Diebold were to release their entire source code to the public, then I would have no qualms with their develpers' extracurricular activities.

Elections can be edited, read this.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

I think it's funny that I can out-liberal you people sometimes. :D

And, I agree... the voting machines should be all open-source software. That way if there's a hole or exploit, more than just a hacker or insider can see it, and it'll get fixed. The biggest problem with Microsoft is that they won't admit to problems until the hackers have created an exploit around it, then it takes them six months to release a patch. This stuff should be totally open.

kach, linking to commondreams.org or any other leftie propaganda sights gives me the same reaction you would probably have if I liked to Rush Limbaugh or Niel Boortz.

I don't think Common Dreams actually writes any of the stuff, they just group it all together for reference and e-mailing. So as far as; "it's lefties stuff" - lumped all together, yep.........that's what it is.

Go to the light, go to the light.:D

Sounds to me that you want to cherry-pick which criminals are controlling the vote.

disenfranchised criminals = vote control okay

enfranchised criminals = vote control NOT okay

. . is that what you believe is the correct thing?


(typical brain-dead liberalism):rolleyes:

It's really pathetic that you argue "standards" (disallow criminal influence). . . which you also argue should NOT be applied . . . as "standards."

(I just figured that I would save you further embarasment, there, with that delusional reasoning.)

so felons are not smart ...... get a grip
they did their time. anyone is capable of deception..

It;'s not like we have a president thats got a dui or coke or something bad like that .. :eek:

Or......................

enfranchised criminals = vote control okay

disenfranchised criminals = vote control NOT okay

Enough double standards, you wouldn’t let a convicted pedophile work at an elementary school would you?

ahhh. . . what?

I point-out that you have a double-standard, so then, YOU flip/invert the double-standard, to suggest that it would represent my position. . . .and then drag it to an unreasonable extreme.

I think that you need to take a class . . . Strawman Construction - 101. :rolleyes:

You have done nothing to resolve your double-standard. (other than to say; look-look. . .look at the straw on that island.