Blues v. Reds

[Superman]

You've all seen stuff like this before, and you may be inclined to dismiss it or not look at it or whatever, but here's another series of maps correlating certain kinds of behavior with political orientation:

http://www.topalli.com/blue/

Lots of blues will click and consider. But then, they do have the reading advantage thing.

[mikester]

How 'bout this sup.

www.redvsblue.com

[gaijinda]

Take one old nag.
Shoot with .44
Take out whip.
Keep at it till Nov.08
Watch us win again!

[928ram]

You "blues" must be pretty insecure to put forth so much time and effort to prove yourselves "better" (fun how that seems so anti-liberal) to yourselves. I just have to wonder; with all these things that you slant to your favor, why isn't you can't accomplish something as simple as winning an election??

[widebody911]

Originally posted by 928ram
why isn't you can't accomplish something as simple as winning an election??

We don't own the voting machine companies.

[Joeaksa]

We don't own the voting machine companies.

Neither do we, no one owns them so stop beating a dead horse. Remember that its the Blue areas like Chi-town where Daily and his gang have been stuffing ballot boxes for eons.

We just know how to get the vote out and make people realize that they will be safer as well as better off with us.

As well, we know that Cigars are to be enjoyed with your wife, not like the previous occupant of 1600 Penn Ave...

JoeA

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by widebody911
We don't own the voting machine companies.

Priceless!!! Well, actually, the red votes are paid for, so scratch that...

Didn't the president of Diebold (supplies OH with voting machines) say he would deliver Ohio to Bush.

[rrpjr]

What more evidence do we need? The Left are obviously better people. Hat’s off. I’m sold.

Now I understand their splenetic astonishment: how could they have lost to such obviously inferior people!

And now, how do they begin to win back the trust of these sorry and unwashed masses of uneducated, misguided and morally misinformed from sea to partisan sea?

With contempt. Now there is an educated strategy for the ages!

This statistical fusillade fairly drips with contempt for the sympathies of the people the Left once championed.

My advice is to stop parsing the color of the vote and start loving and listening to people again. Take a page from Will Rogers instead of the New York Times. (Incidentally, he once wrote for the New York Times, back in the days of liberal tolerance.)

Peace.

[ubiquity0]

Originally posted by rrpjr

And now, how do they begin to win back the trust of these sorry and unwashed masses of uneducated, misguided and morally misinformed from sea to partisan sea?

With contempt. Now there is an educated strategy for the ages!

This statistical fusillade fairly drips with contempt for the sympathies of the people the Left once championed.

hmmm... only if you equate Ilir Topalli, Ph.D. Albert Einstein College of Medicine = 'they','the Left' ?

[Moneyguy1]

Not fer nuthin, but it might do some of us a bit of good to spend some time in the red states vs the blue areas. I just got finished doing some seminars in the Southeast (Dallas, Jacksonville, Huntsville, Birmingham to name a few, hence my absence for a couple of weeks). There were very few places I went, whether it be restaurants or even malls, where conversations would not include the name of Jesus a number of times, all in a reverent manner. Religion is a big part of the lifestyle down there, and not a "made up" rationale by the media. Haven't found that in the Southwest red states yet. Different mindset. More independent.

Just an interesting observation.

BTW...Weather in Birmingham is AWFUL!! Been there four times in the past three years and (probably all bad timing) haven't seen the sun once, but have seen a tornado and thunderstorms that made me want to crawl under the bed!!

[topalli]

I have to tell you guys, I'm not on the left. I used to be on the right. It's right there on the web page if you look. You know back when republicans were for: Privacy, Peace, no foreign entanglement, low spending, no surveillance, freedom of religion.

None of that seems to apply now. The point of the maps is that smart, decent folk have been voting this way for years. Being tolerant (a religious value) used to mean you were in the party of lincoln. Now it means you are in the other party. Likewise segregationists used to be democrats, now they are republicans. This is why the maps are divided in "red" and "blue" values not democrat and republican. Religious morals are more than pushing the word jesus down someone's throat at a mall. The people haven't changed the parties have.

The maps are tongue in cheek, but the point is you don't have to be more popular, you just have to be on the right side.

Sorry if the maps offend, but try keep you humor intact.

I. Topalli

p.s. There are morals besides telling people you are religious and some of these include:

education
firearm deaths
teen pregnancy
STDs

Besides wouldn't you want to be thinner with a better baseball team too?
baseball
obesity

[bryanthompson]

Do you guys ever wonder why you lose elections? For as smart as ya'll claim to be, I'm surprised at your lack of logic... impune and criticize those whose votes you need to win?? Whaaa??

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by bryanthompson
Do you guys ever wonder why you lose elections? For as smart as ya'll claim to be, I'm surprised at your lack of logic... impune and criticize those whose votes you need to win?? Whaaa??

if the red states had any sense of logic, they would have voted for Kerry. Instead, it's all about faith with little deference for facts.

Bryan, is it really of no concern to you that we have no idea where Bin Laden is?

Do you care that our dollar is at a record low and we have a massive trade imbalance with China, the same people who are our bankers for the war in Iraq? Do you understand the consequences of that?

[cmccuist]

Sorry blues, but there are more poor, uneducated Democrats than Republicans. That's why they're Democrats.

And I'm willing to bet that there isn't a single voter out there who pulled the trigger for Kerry because our trade deficit with China is massive.

But I do think topalli makes some excellent points about privacy and spending. What we are seeing is contrary to the GOP I used to know.

[Yargk]

Originally posted by cmccuist
Sorry blues, but there are more poor, uneducated Democrats than Republicans. That's why they're Democrats.
.

Where's your data? All the statistics show otherwise. This is what boggles a logical mind because it would make complete sense for a rich person to vote Republican. However, republicans have somehow swayed hoards of people that would benefit least from a republican government by using the joke of morality and a president that you'd like to have a BBQ with because he doesn't intimidate you with all of his book learning.

[turbo6bar]

Originally posted by Yargk
Where's your data? All the statistics show otherwise.

Voter demographics in 1992/1996 Elections

[ubiquity0]

The 8-12 year old exit poll data is probably not too relevant today.

Bush definitely won the higher income vote in 2004 though (voters over $50,000 by 56% to Kerry's 43%; voters under $50,000 44% to Kerry's 55%).

I don't know where the 'uneducated democrats' parroting comes from though- the trailer trash Clinton label? Bush gained big-time in support from high school drop outs & no college degree voters (53% to Kerry's 47%). Amongst college graduates it was Bush 49%, Kerry 49%.

Bush's biggest gain from 2000 was amongst those who never graduated high school (up 10% from 39% to 49%)

[Yargk]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
Voter demographics in 1992/1996 Elections

Well Clinton won those electrons and sure, less educated people helped him.

However, the important data is the educated votes. Bush won in 2004, but lost among the best educated states in general. Table 1 of your document shows 44 percent and 47 percent of the college educated voters went for Clinton in 92 and 96 respectively. Without the republican numbers for the educated votes we can't see who won the educated vote in 92 and 96. Again what would matter is if the Democrats won the educated vote in 92, 96, 2000, and 2004 even if losing in 2000 and 2004.

[Superman]

Talking out of both sides of our mouths? Dems are elitist, but uneducated? If someone would like me to think that republicans intellectually or educationally equal to dems, then they're going to have to show me some data. right now, I believe (and many others do as well) that liberals are smarter and more educated. I'm being blunt because I'd like someone to think I'm throwing down the gauntlet. Someone prove me wrong, if you can. My state is notoriously and thoroughly (except for Island, of course) liberal. Terribly liberal. And I believe it has been noticed that we have the highest, or nearly the highest proportions of bachelor and masters' degree holders of any state in the union. Similar statistics can be found for most of the other blue states. By contrast, red states include Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, etc. Need I say more? So anyone asserting that conservatives are NOT the intellectual and educational inferiors of liberals, had better produce some evidence.

In the meantime, I am struggling, and I hope my party is struggling even harder, to understand how a waitress whose family has been democrats for generations can be coaxed into knowingly voting against her self-interest. Coaxed into supporting tax breaks for billionaires, trasking the economy and the environment and killing Muslims so that Halliburton can make its own financial killing while pretending this is making us safer.

[cmccuist]

Supe, you have concluded that since your state has many educated people, and many in your state voted democrat, that democrats are educated people.

Here's my logic - In my own home, we all have college degrees and we all voted Republican. I conclude that every Republican has a college degree! Also, my dad's a doctor and he voted for W - all doctors voted for W!

This year college graduates voted 49% Dem and 49% GOP. Trouble is, you don't have to have a college degree to vote.

Here's a fact - There are a lot of Democrats in GA, LA, ND, AL, MS etc. And a lot of those democrats are high school drop-outs, pulling down the education level of the red states.

There are also a lot of Republicans with college degrees in CA, NY, OR, WA and MA, (well maybe not MA) elevating the education level of those states. These arguments using colored maps to define who's smarter or fatter or wealthier or who gets the clap more often aren't logical.

Meanwhile, what's wrong with Haliburton making some money? There are a lot of Democrats who work there!

Also, billionaires don't really pay taxes anyway. And since there are so few of them, giving them tax cuts is more symbolic than substative.

On a happpier note;

Merry Christmas Superman! Hope you get some great gifts. Maybe something for the SC?