OT - flu vaccine available
 

The nasal mist is available without a shortage. It's more expensive, but Long's Drugstore checked my insurance and they paid $24 of the $30 fee...

I had to answer 15 yes/no questions over the phone to pre-qualify and then sign my answers to the same questions when I got there.

It's a live flu vaccine, the nasal mist and it $ucks big time the military
made me get it and three days later I had the flu.
Did they tell you not to touch your nose or sneeze after the nasal mist that you could give it to someone else.

Ditto - EZ

I've decided the vaccine is a government experiment. This is the first time in over ten years I haven't been required to get the flu shot AND the first year I haven't gotten sick -- same-same for my wife. Kinda make's ya wonder...

Nope...


I hope you're not serious... and the flu season ain't over.

I've always gotten the shot AND never gotten sick, which is nice.

I've worked in the medical field for a good 15 years, unless the flu will kill you if you get it, you need not get vaccinated. (Then again, my opinion of Dr's is somewhat skewed as well, 'unless you're bleeding or similar, don't bother me') :p

What's the downside to getting vaccinated, Sergio?

Downside: you might get flu like symptoms and if you immune system is weak enough, you might, on a highly rare occasion, actually get the flu.

Nonetheless, shortages each year are because some people get vaccinated but aren't at risk of dying because of the flu. The reason everyone started getting vaccinated is because of the fear of dying from the flu. The only persons that die from the flu are the sick/weak and elderly. (Complications from flu turn to pneumonia, then death) No one wants to die from it so everyone rushes to get vaccinated. I'm still healthy enough that even if I get the flu I won't die from it. If anything, it's 5-10 days of misery. Then again, I have ready access to all kinds of meds yet never take anything when sick unless whatever I've contracted really kicks my ass.

And occassionally some sort of odd side effect happens. when the swine flu fears were going around, I knew two perfectly normal healthy persons that got the shot. They ended up in the hospital and suffered partial nerve damage and some paralysis as a result. They did receive some sort of settlement too, like $100K each, but so what. They still are that way today.

I will never get a flu shot.

Well when I got the nasal mist from the military they made us read a
statement saying if you are over 50 yrs old that you shouldn't get the nasal mist because it was a live vaccine. Also after they gave me the mist one of my co-workers who also got the mist said to the nurse he is going to have Surgery in a week!! All of the medical staff looked at me like I was crazy for not telling them about the surgery. :(

Military here too... I got the "mist" too..actually more like a cold gel that goes right down your throat...yuckhttp://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/a_pukey.gif

Yes the same thing here, when did you get yours ?

This stuff was just a spray that had a pleasant taste in the throat.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT VACINATIONS: i was always the picture of health, but one day it all changed!
being a state LEO, i was offered a hepatitus B vacination series. im like a lot of people, i think the govt will always do the right thing, NOT! i even had to go to a 4 hour info class before i recieved the shots and i was assured that it was perfectly safe. after all, they give it to school kids and infants and its got to be better than getting hepatitus, right? i took the first shot, not a problem, like a salt water placebo. about a month later, another shot at the county health dept, felt like distilled water. 3 months later, i took the third and last shot.
when i left the health dept, my arm was aching, sort of like a tetanus shot will do. later in the day my shoulder is throbing. that night, a splitting headache. i called the health dept and a nurse told me it was nothing to worry about and that 3 or 4 other troopers had complained about mild symtoms.
a couple of days has passed and everytime i breathe, i have an ache in my chest and the blood vessel that goes up my neck is throbbing. a few more days go by and the pain in my chest is like a heart attack, so im taken to the ER. an EKG shows nothing. the pain subsides and i go home. i still have a lot of aches and pains that come and go.
for the next 3 months i had a pain everytime i breathed from my chest to my neck and in the middle of my back. well, i hate hospitals, so i tough it out.
one afternoon it feels like a knife is in my back. my heart is beating so fast that i cant breathe. i have a resting pulse of 180 bpm. its ambulance time again. im in intensive care and they tell my kin that i may not make the night alive, because my heart function is so erratic.
ill spare you most of the rest of it, but now i have a chronic heart condition and liver damage, very similar to what hepatitus b does to you.
i called the state of florida and told them that i had been injured by the vaccination that i was assured would not hurt me. GUESS WHAT? the lawyers jumped in and showed me that i had signed a release. the release stated that the shots would not give me hepatitus and i didnt get hepatitus. the release never stated that it might not kill me.
fortunately i had enough years to retire, so they retired me with a pension.
OK< NOW THE GOOD PART!
i called the center for desease control in atlanta. when i told them i would like information about those who have been injured from this vaccine. there was a long silence and my call was transfered to special ops somewhere in virginia. you know like in the movies where someone finds something from outter space and an army general is informed there is a "condition red"!
a specialist came to the phone and informed me that matter cant be discussed until i fill out an injury report, which was mailed to me, filled out and returned. they assign me a case number and a phone number. when i called, the person advised me that i would not be allowed any information on the matter and that i should get on with my life!
ok, pull up "google" and search for hepatitus vaccine injuries. you will be amazed by the thousands of people whose lives were ruined and disabled. so i found a law firm in boston that does nothing by hepatitus b vaccine injuries.
did you know that so many thousand of people died and were injured from the vaccine that congress has a fund to compensate the victims. as of 1995, over 17000 citizens either had died or were disabled by the vaccine.
when the lawyer attempted to get my vaccination record from the health dept, you guessed it, it had vanished. i never recieved a vaccination! well, it seems that a secretary at the station had gone to the health dept and made a copy of all the records, for billing purposes, so now ive caught them in the first lie. even with a copy as a matter of record, they still deny it.
for five years, i could barely go and people who knew me could harldly recognize me from taking so much cortesone for the pain. little by little, i started to recover and over another 5 year period, i made a recovery. im now my old self again and go to the gym 4 days a week and can bench 300 pounds again.
so the point is, there is a lot of cloak and dagger involved with vaccinations. most people just follow like lemmings with the party line. again, i have over simplified because i hate to type, but my law suit continues.

werewolf,
That is one seriously scary story. I have generally been trusting about vaccines also. A wake up call came when we gave a new kitten of ours a Distemper vaccine and a routine worm medication (which is a insecticide). After serveral hours the kitten went into the most aweful convulsions. We took her back to the vet to look at. She was running a super high temp and we were told to rush her to an vetranary Emergancy room. The got her stabalized (at great expense) and she had short term blindness from the high temeratures. Everyone insisted that it was NOT the vaccine. This is a two shot cycle, so she had to go in for a second one. Our vet at least was open to the possibility of a vaccine reaction and shot her up with anithisimins in case she reacted. Sure enough she did. Same problem, but not as severe. The emergancy room vet refused to consider the posibility of vaccine reactions. We did some research and found out that this is very common and that nobody wants to do anything about it because they feel that the few cases of reactions are worth the effects in a minority of the population.

I suspect the samething happens with human vaccines. It well meaning thought taken to an extreme.

How long were you alone with Shannon?

Steps to avoid getting flus and viruses:

1. Wash your hands
2. Don't touch anything on the way out of public bathrooms-keep a towel in your hand to open the door with-no towels? Use the end of your sleeve then, dummy.
3. Wash your hands
4. Don't share your phone or computer at work with anyone.
5. Wash your hands
6. Don't rub your eyes, nose or mouth until you
7. Wash your hands
8. Take a daily multi vitamin
9. Wash your hands

You can't wash your hands enough during the day!! It's the cheapest insurance against getting ill. Remember, a cold takes 7 seconds to get and 7 days to get rid of!

Anybody posting threads about "needing input" I would definately watch out for. :D

island dude: i know what you mean, they just wont take responsibility for the unknown side effects from vaccinations.
when you almost die from something, you start paying attention to details about what they are injecting into your body. one common preservative used in some vaccines, is mercury. the logic that was originally put on me, was that a live virus had not entered my body, so i couldnt really be sick. everyones immune system is different and reacts differently during vaccinations. another fact that has been suppressed, is that a bunch of soldiers serving in iraq were permanently disabled from the small pox vaccine. i saw a talk show that interviewed several.

I have never served in the military so I haven't lived this sort of thing. It just ticks me off no end that we ask these guys to go where we tell them for any reason no matter how political or lame. They get shot at and blown up. To add insult to injury, we make them laboratory rats too.

Man many of these guys joined because it was their best career option. They willingly do their duty and give their lives when we ask. Do we have to order them to take substances that might be deadly or just unknown? Its not right.

How about when the Army was testing PCP on enlisted men years ago!

Well, my intention in posting this thread was to indicate an alternative for those who would have gotten a shot but couldn't because of the shortage.

I think most medical procedures involve some risk; usually the risks are very small compared to the results. I don't think nasal spray flu vaccine should be generalized to all vaccines, let alone the flu shot vaccine. I have faith in our medical technology, and don't subscribe to "government experiment" paranoia, at least not in the civilian sector.

I take the vaccine because the flu in and of itself is miserable, and I don't want to get it. I don't want to miss time at work.

werewolf- I think what happened to you is a horror story, and I feel bad that it happened to you. It's outrageous that agencies would deny the truth about what they did, and I hope you receive justice.

SLP- I don't appreciate your faking my quotes or making such innuendos. Please refrain from that where I'm concerned, okay?

Some Q & A from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/nasalspray.htm

thx foobeemer, u the only one appreciates my sense of humor!

how about producing a more resilient flu strain each year because of mass vaccinations!!! and the fact that you are being vaccinated against the previous flu strain, not the one that will get you. no on should get any types of vaccines, except for things we wiped out. for anything else, all we are doing is aiding in wiping ourselves out from viral infections.

repoe3

I'm not a medical expert, but I find "producing a more resilient" strain hard to believe. Do you have any facts to support that?

Yes, the vaccine is based on an educated guess as to what's coming here. But they've been good guesses, percentage-wise. Did you read my link?

So, when there's an AIDS vaccine you would pass because it's not wiped out? Seems to me there's lots of useful vaccines out there for diseases that aren't wiped out yet.

you are kidding, right? i am not a medical expert either...does it show? would this supposed AIDS vaccine potentially give you AIDS if you took it? perhaps, as usual, i was not specific enough for the gallery of people out there. when something is NOT life-threatening, it is merely an annoyance like the cold, the flu, etc...people need not be vaccinated against it. the primary reason, IN MY OPINION (in uppercase intentionally), for vaccinations is so the loss of production from people out sick for themselves or their children is minimized. it is a grand conspiracy..one anyone from the west coast should appreciate...

so, not the sounds of beeping reverse warnings, eh?

repoe3

Kidding about what? Just discussing...

I would seriously doubt an AIDS vaccine would give one AIDS because the HIV virus is complicated and appears in many different forms. If they do develop a vaccine based on mimicing the virus, it'll have to be on some common feature to all/most of the viruses and I doubt it'll be functional to cause the disease. If there is a risk, then perhaps it'll only be worth it to those in high-risk groups who, for example might be willing to trade a 0.01% chance of contracting the disease to avoid an 80% probablility of getting otherwise infected.

Don't you think a lot of people take the vaccine just to avoid getting the flu? IMO, that's a primary reason as well.

What's the grand conspiracy? You are kidding, right?

Note: I get the vaccine to avoid time away from riding the R1100S. Or other motorcycles. Or tinkering or accessorizing the R1100S.

Wouldn't want this thread deleted...:rolleyes:

Note: I get the vaccine to avoid time away from riding the R1100S. Or other motorcycles. Or tinkering or accessorizing the R1100S.

Wouldn't want this thread deleted...:rolleyes:

yes, i am kidding...maybe. if there is anythign i am consistent about, anything OT is compleately up for grabs and can be responded with any such gibberish one sees fit :D

yes, there is a conspiracy...what it is i can not say...they might kill me.

you know all those warnings on labels about washing hands after handling this or touching that..try licking them once, then wash. might taste bad, might taste good...but you just vaccinated yourself to some degree. go eat a spoonful of dirt. wipe your nose with your hand and then rub your eyes (this is particularly a good thing to do after you handle the stuff you should have washed your hands of first and licked...you get the full effect).

if you are prediposed to get sick, by all means, get vaccinated. people lose sight of individual differences that affect such decision making. i rarely get sick. in the past 20 year, i can think of only two instances where i was very ill...and only once did i get anything for it. aside from that, the usual adjustment period between seasons. perhaps riding makes me either a bit more sensitive or less as i am continually exposed to God knows what while riding, let alone the temperatures that i ride in...all i have let to ask is this...the next time you go get a shot, can i stick you? you might not want to get vaccinated after that :D

repoe3

I can see you're just kidding around now, repoe man. But your earlier post smacked of misinformation. I think the vaccine is valid and worthwhile for those who choose to take it. I'm just offering some heads-up on the availability of that option.

yes, all kidding aside...i am AGAINST preaching to the masses that vaccination is the RIGHT thing to do. it is like saying being right-handed is wrong and left-handed is wrong. know whatta mean?

repoe3

So, three questions.

- are you suggesting I am preaching to the masses to vaccinate?
- are you preaching to the masses to not vaccinate?
- you're not left-handed, are you?

does anyone but me watch the "history channel"? the show from time to time has political agenda and you have to be able to separate fact from propaganda sometime.
the point is, they had a show on a couple of years ago about the spread of viruses and germ warfare. it seems that the US army unleashed a virus on oakland california back in the early 50s, to see how the wind currents would spread it. the virus was released from a ship and they figured that they would document. the travel of the virus by people reporting sick to the various hospitals. (hey, not a problem, im sure citizens will be glad to help) well, the virus was a little more potent than planned and people started dying! oops! (what the hey, everyone has to go sometime)!
it was "top secret" for 50 years and just recently allowed to be known by the public.

I am not anti-vaccine (although I might sound like it). First of all, vaccnes are not like antibiotics. It is the anti-biotic that kills the bad stuff. A Vaccine just stimulates your immune system to do the work by giving the an idea of what to attack. I am not sure that stronger strains develop due to wide use of vaccines.

Anyway, my problem is not that it makes sense to vaccinate large populations on the whole. I just think that the medical community gets so carried away with the goodness of the benifit that they play down the reactions experience by a small minority. In fact, some people can get hurt badly and we should not ignore it. There is a lot of experimentation that goes on in the medical community before they can declare any medication safe. Generally, there are few problems with vaccines, but not always. I reject using a particular population as unwilling subjects to do this testing. People should always know exactly what the risks are that they are going to be subjected to and offered a chance to opt out.

Steve,

My sincere apologies, I was only trying to add some levity to a grim topic and didn't think I would strike a sensitive nerve.

Sean

Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it!

-did i say YOU in my statement?
-i don't care for the sopabox, but if you give it to me...
-i write right-handed but eat both-handed, i used to be able to switch hit...so i think i am an honorary something

repoe3

You implied it was me, but I was not. And thanks for answering a question with a question.