Mustang is going down in 2007 ???
 

Looks like they might be bringing back the Camero in 2007.

Some pics.



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Plagurized the 67-69 Camaro and Shelby. That nose screams 67 GT350. Hopefully this time they'll leave enough room in the back for decent sized rubber. Hopefully this happens.

rjp

Edit. the A$$ screams 'Cuda.

Actually, that's the new vehicle for the upcoming Roger Rabbit II movie. Have auto designers so completely run out of ideas that all they can rely on are old designs with exaggerated proportions?

70 Challenger with 383 Mag engine....and 4 spd.....thats what I would want...had a 440 6 Pack...to brutal and not a comfortable car to cruise in...

Other than that...a 1972 911S and a 64/65 356 SC Cab....with that we could call it a day...

Those are only amateur concepts and photochops, the PHR tag on the green car notwithstanding. No firm plans to revive the Cambirds just yet.

The Mustang is alive and kicking, and the next gen Cobra's powerplant has been finalized. 5.4L twin screw, ~450hp with 500+ on tap very easily.

We will see definitively what the next gen Cobra will look like next month (in a couple weeks actually) when they unveil. The new Cobra is targeting the Corvette (this is sure to touch off a debate), so I doubt the next gen Cambird will be much competition for it.

it comes close, but as always, the big 3 lines shine through and they just miss! Can't the design group hire somebody from Italy?

Another generation of mullet-headed rednecks. Great.

Do they make 'em in primer grey from the factory?

Ford has been absolutely the hands-down winner in retro design cars, IMO. Everyone else seems to fuch the pooch, whether it is the New Beetle, the Porsche 997, the horrible Chrysler cars, etc...

That Chevy *design exercise* pick-up thing sure is flying off the shelves, ain't it?? :rolleyes:

The new Mustang is an unqualified success, looks/design/execution-wise, the GT-40 is a home run and the T-Bird is one of the best looking cars ever.

OK, to me anyways. But a lot of design types that I know, (not necessarily car people), agree about the T-Bird. The Camaro in the drawings looks like it was done by the pick-up truck guy, but who knows how real those drawings are. They should hire away Ford's guy and base it on the '69 Camaro, or even the 70-1/2. It would be killer.

And Tabs, I agree on the Challenger being decent looking, but it was a seriously over-weight and overly large pony car. With a Hemi it was only about a 14 second car stock. With you and a couple of fellow buffet folks in it you would not want to street race anyone. ;)

Ford is doing a good job. Actually an amazing job with the Mustang and GT, and the T-bird is ok for that kind of car.

Unfortunately the Chevy SSR is crap. Those Camaro's might not be bad. '67-'69 style isn't mullet style, that's 71 and up. The 60's were classics. And the impala. What's up with that? The mid 90's Impalas were actually pretty cool, and Ford is still making their big rear drivers. The GTO performs, but it'scrap too. It's actually the least attractive car of the Pontiac line up.

Unfortunately GM is screwin the pooch right now, even with Lutz. I hope he is just getting a slow start.

At least the C6 Vette is a performer.

Denis...Thats why I have a 69 Mach1 Cobra Jet.....I did just about everything I could to modernize the car for performance, handling and stopping...

I like the styling of the 69/70 Mustangs, and even with the performance mods I did I still get tired of driving the car after and afternoon of driving....Something that doesn't happen with the Porsche....

Now I just need to allocate 25K or so to restore my 911S....here in LV an early car is really not drivable in the summer because of the lack of AC...(I know AC is available as a mod)....

I too agree, I think Ford hit a home run on the new Mustang. All the lines are right and a great interior, something I think was always lacking on the previous model.

While I agree that Ford hit a home run with the Mustang, I disagree that Ford's the hands-down winner. The T-bird is doing HORRIBLY in sales. I agree that the design is beautiful, but it is over-priced and T-bird sales reflect this.

You consider the Chryslers to be horrible, but a lot of folks disagree with you. The 300C and the Magnum station wagon are selling like hot cakes! Both have a decent amount of retro with a splash of modern technology. AND A HEMI ENGINE to BOOT! The PT-Cruiser, though is fading in sales, was an immediate success when it first came out. It's styling is very retro and again, it was a good money making product for Chrysler.

With talks of a Charger and a Challenger, Chrysler is continuing the retro theme.

End counterpoint.

Regarding the Camaro pictured - IMHO, Chevy is jumping on the bandwagon a little too late. If they produce a retro-maro in a few years, the market will be moving on from retro into the 'next black,' whatever that may be. The auto industry is very cyclic. Chevy did a nice job with the SSR pickup truck - I just wish it could tow my Porsche to the track, but it's tow rating is too low! :D

-Z-man.

The look of the new Mustang isn't bad; it's the demographic that concerns me. Ford is practically giving those things away due to overproduction. . . They're dime-a-dozen and STILL handle like a bag of *********s.

That new mustang looks a bit slab sided and disporpotionate to me - like Picasso designed it. Guess I need to see one with good wheels and done up for it to grow on me.

Chrysler= trash. - that has to be the crappiest built domestic out there. Pretty packaging, awful contents. Every person I know (including myself) who has owned one in the last 5 years swears never again. 300C is ugly as sin - if that isn't enough to turn you off, endorsement by "Snoop Dog" should be. Those ugly ass Hemi wagon things are selling like hotcakes due to all the retro "Hemi" hype - can't wait to see the quality reports after a few miles are logged on 'em esp. with the 4-6-8 cylinder technology they came out with - Didn't work for Cadillac in the 80's and that was with GM engineering it. Now Chrysler is trying it? You're better off with a bus pass. Guaranteed you'll see those being dumped off at fire sale prices in a few years. Quality by Chrysler? Now that's a joke...

Chrysler's marketing department has to be the greatest in the world.

rjp

Actually Chrysler will have a better chance of making it work than GM could ever hope for.

I see more GM products coming into the shop with electrical and pcm problems than all the other makes combined.

Luckily GM and AC/Delco realize this and most dealerships stock a gross of new/rebuilt pcm's and modules.

GM definitely has the attitude of "We can't build a good one, but we can build alot of them!" :p

Psst - Randy - I work for Daimler-Chrylser, but in the MB division.

Just thought you'd want to know...

SmileWavy
- Z.

So does mean I can hammer you on a deal for a Crossfire? I do like the MBZ influence in there. ;)

No offence, but it was a very traumatic experience owning a Chrysler.

rjp

Everything I've read said the handle just fine, then again I'm not sure if these guys have driven a Porsche.

Have you driven the new Mustang for yourself Porsche-O-Phile?

I have not, just asking, cheers.

We do have a friends and family program that can save you some $$. But why buy a Crossfire when you can get the SLK convertible Benz for just a wee bit more money?!? :D (No, I'm not a salesman - just like the new SLK's looks more than the Crossfire's)

Truth be told, I owned a Chrysler bomb a few years back - a '79 Plymouth Turismo TC-3. EVERYTHING went on it (clutch, steering column, H2O Pump, alternator, door locks, steering shaft, signal system...etc.) Not a very reliable car.

In light of the Chryslers from the early 80's, the company has made a turn-around. Don't get me wrong - they still have a long way to go. They still have some issues with their Caravan minivan & sebring/stratus platforms, but their neon & PTC cars are pretty reliable. The Pacifica / Crossfire are based on older Benz platforms, and as such, they are pretty bulletproof. The 300C / Magnum is too new to determine if they're good or not. Side note: the variable cyl technology in the new Chryslers has only two modes - 4cyl or 8cyl - no 6cyl mode. Blame the government for that - it's a way to get the fleet average gas mileage down to the government mandated number.

As for the looks - personally, I like the looks of the 300C & Magnum. It's a very polar car in terms of liking or disliking it. I like retro. That said, I'm not happy that it's gained popularity amongst the gangster/hip-hop crowd, but they have money and like to spend it for sure!

Retro is very in these days. I think it all started with the Miata back in the late 80's. Since then, here's a list of 'retro' cars currently out there:
- BMW / Mini Cooper & Cooper S
- BMW Z8
- Chevrolet SSR Pickup truck
- Chrysler PT-Cruiser
- Chrysler 300C
- Dodge Magnum
- Ford GT
- Ford Mustang
- Ford T-Bird
- Mazda Miata
- Morgan Aero 8 (that's more of a 'modern antique' than a retro!)
- Pontiac GTO (plane jane body - hot engine = muscle car retro!)
- Porsche Boxster (harkens back to the 500 spyder)
- VW New Beetle

(Add to the list if you know of more 'retro' cars available today...)

That's a lot of 'retro' cars to choose from!
-Z-man.

99 Sebring LXI - I can still vividly remember fixing the sticking transmission to ignition lock cable with a swift, deft move of my right hand I can rip the trim around the gear selector out and jiggle the cable so I can put the car in park and take the key out of the ignition.

I can also tell by the way it cranks when I turn the key if it's gonna start this time or if I have to wait a minute for it to start.

This was in a car I bought new and sold with 49k on it....

This is true in many things architecture, furniture, toasters, shoes ...................yatchs.

How about an old looking yatch that uses composite construction, water jet propulsion and a joystick for maneuvering?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/boating/1277086.html
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It's wonderfully refreshing to see many open-minded people on this board...the very paragon of humanity. Vive la difference, as it were.

The first person that I know who got a new Mustang (GT) is also the owner of a 911 race car, (SC tub w/ significant mods), and is someone who could definitely make you cry for your Mom if you were his passenger @ Willow Springs. ;)

He said that he absolutely loves the car, and that it was very fast. And fast to him could not mean only in a straight line. I can see not caring for Ford's redesign of the Mustang, but not really sure where the idea that they handle badly comes from. Sounds like an uninformed opinion, like the people who think that their bone stock 911s would handle well or be fast around a track. The real 911 racers can dispel that silly idea. :cool:

I work for Ford but haven't driven the new Mustang yet (I work in IT), but a fellow 911 owner I know is an engineer at Ford and he likes the new Mustang alot but says it's a completely different ride than the 911 and really can't be compared. He says I'd like the car and enjoy it's capabilities, but that I will still want to keep the Porsche. I'm pretty proud of the new Mustang and the GT and I'm glad Ford made them. Most of the really good-looking cars don't get put into production. They show them at the auto show and then never do anything with them.

Well, we can start by thinking about the live axle in the rear end. I mean, come on. Step into the 1980s, Ford! Independent suspension is a requirement for a sports car. Unspring weight and alignment adjustments are important if you want to sell a real sports car.

It does look pretty good. But technologically, it's still a joke.

I believe Ford was considering an independant rear on the new Mustang, but the 1/4 mile crowd prefers the live axle rear for it's robustness. Independant rears just don't hold up as well to the harsh off the line launches.

And truth be told, you see more Mustangs at the local drag race scene that at the autocross or on the track (road racing track, that is!)

If Ford would have made the Mustang GT with an independant rear, they would have lost a very important demographic.

Now, if they come out with a new Mustang Cobra R, THAT better have an independant rear! :)

-Z-man.

Looks like the freak'n SS Minnow! For that reason alone I would buy it.

And BTW - my inlaws are wanting to give us their red 2000 Pony convertable in a year. I will admit, my wife does look good in it. I would rather opt for a let 80's Targa.

That's an excellent point, Z-Man. I didn't know live axles are better for dragging.