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widebody911 04-05-2005 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by skipdup
Yeah, but what are the chances of that happening? "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".

"Those who can't teach, manage"

What does that say for me? I teach part time @ Sac State...

widebody911 04-05-2005 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by gaijindabe
"Adjusted for inflation, gas would have to hit $2.99 a gallon for a record."

$3.05 for regular a couple weeks ago at stations in SoCal

http://www.kesq.com/global/story.asp?s=3095350&ClientType=Printable

nostatic 04-05-2005 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by dmoolenaar
Yeah but your bike looks like something out of a bug cartoon. :) Seriously, lose the snorkle.
hey, bugs have moms too... :p

Actually, I rather like the alien looks and signal orange paint. It doesn't look like everyone else's bike out there.

Well, actually it doesn't look like *anyone* else's bike out there. It is damn quick too...gotta be careful.

gaijindabe 04-05-2005 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by widebody911
$3.05 for regular a couple weeks ago at stations in SoCal

http://www.kesq.com/global/story.asp?s=3095350&ClientType=Printable

"Prices rose in all regions of the country. Biggest jump: 8.8 cents in California, to $2.464. That's the highest on the mainland. Hawaii's usually higher, but EIA doesn't report it separately..."

Funny thing is, New Jersey is the cheapest, and there is no self-service..:rolleyes:

Superman 04-05-2005 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Tim Hancock
I do not think the "leadership" can realistically do much about it. No matter what he tries, his detractors will claim that his decisions are based on his past in the oil business. He will be accused of trying to hook up a couple of his old oil buddies at the expense of the American people.

Is that what you mean?

Looks like you're suggesting that Dubya cannot make people appreciate him. Maybe so, but that's not the problem that needs leadership. Reputation is a personal problem that Dubya has. The thing we notice being impacted by his leadership, or lack thereof, is gas prices. And resulting inflation. I don't care if he solves his reputation problem. To suggest this is the problem fo rhim to solve just sidesteps the actual problem we're wishing he had the ability to address. While his buddies are making money hand-over-fist (Exxon-Mobile just posted the highest quarterly profits of any company in AMERICAN HISTORY!), we're getting pinched by gas prices and inflation.

And so is the rest of the world. Anybody still curious about the kinds of things that have earned Dubya his reputation? Anybody agree with Tim that Dubya's reputation is the problem? I say it's one of the effects of a leadership vacuum, not a cause.

RickM 04-05-2005 12:12 PM

As reported to www.NewJerseyGasPrices.com the lowest in NJ, within the last 36 hours, is $1.89 and the highest is $2.29.

In Cali it's a low of $2.27 and tops out at $3.36. http://www.californiagasprices.com/

widebody911 04-05-2005 12:23 PM

Pretty soon, 100 octane at Thunderhill for $5.20 will seem like a bargain; I think Sears was $4.50 the last time I was there.

Superman 04-05-2005 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by nostatic
hey, bugs have moms too... :p

Actually, I rather like the alien looks and signal orange paint. It doesn't look like everyone else's bike out there.

Well, actually it doesn't look like *anyone* else's bike out there. It is damn quick too...gotta be careful.

I rode my nephew's bike recently. I don't know what kind of bike it is (last time I was into bikes the hot new ticket was that transverse-mounted 1300-cc Honda 6-cylinder inline eyesore), but it redlined at 16,500 rpm. Ummmm, it seemed to have sufficient acceleration capability. - :eek:

nostatic 04-05-2005 01:49 PM

the Triumph redlines at 14K. Just under 100hp and 390lbs dry. Can you say weight/hp ratio? And 50mpg unless you really flog it.

gaijindabe 04-05-2005 01:50 PM

Here you go fellows, about 150 miles to the gallon:

http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/cruiser_standard/model.asp?ModelName=Nighthawk&ModelYear=2005&Model Id=CB2505

nostatic 04-05-2005 02:16 PM

hmm...I think I'd rather walk :p

besides, you would be roadkill on an LA freeway with one of those.

Not that you aren't a good candidate for that in any vehicle...

Homo Dubya 04-05-2005 03:09 PM

nighthawk 250's a good bike, but slow

Tim Hancock 04-05-2005 03:33 PM

Sounds about your speed homo (or maybe a pink moped)! Sorry couldnt resist!

Supe, seriously how do you think W could have stopped this recent price hike? He does not have direct control over the pricing. You may say that because he was in the oil business, he had something to do with it, but that is not really the case is it? Some will say that by invading Iraq, his oil buddies prosper. How exactly? I will listen to any legitimate reasons.

speeder 04-05-2005 04:28 PM

Tim, I know that you addressed that to Super, but I cannot resist answering. A huge part of the current energy non-policy has nothing to do w/ GWB and in fact started many years ago w/ govt. basically offering disincentives for any type of conservation that would wean us off of foreign oil. It would have taken real leadership and political balls to push through alternative energy incentives when oil was cheap, but not impossible. the writing has been on the wall for decades that the day will come soon when the world runs out of oil, and it will get REAL expensive for a couple decades before that.

It's a bigger problem for our security and way of life than terrorism, but also directly linked to it. The most blatant, ******* corrupt and stupid move ever was to have the SUV loophole in CAFE standard and emission laws, ie. catagorising them as trucks instead of "passenger vehicles" when 99+% of them are used for transporting passengers. Or should I say "passenger", as in usually (1). :rolleyes:

What Bush has done, w/ his Iraq war, is completely de-stabilise the region and disrupt the flow of oil from Iraq. A small part of the increase in oil prices, from what I continue to read, is caused by the fear of future disruption due to 'political situations' in the ME.

Talk about the freaking terrorists winning! :mad:

We will probably never agree w/ whether the "war on terrorism" is being fought intelligently, but the results of it are not in dispute. $300 billion down a *****hole, (w/ a big part going to a particular *****hole company formerly run by the VP), God knows how many people dead or permanently maimed including ~1500 U.S. soldiers dead, out of control spending and deficit+ a worthless dollar in the world, and $3.00 a gallon gasoline. Oh yeah, I almost forgot: Unbelievably huge, record-shattering profits for big oil.:eek:

The current run-up of the price of oil is directly linked to U.S. foreign policy right now. And FWIW, I would disagree w/ that policy even if it produced cheaper oil. :cool:

Tim Hancock 04-06-2005 03:54 AM

Denis, you mentioned one reason above that I would buy as a posssible contributing factor that could be blamed on Bush. De-stabilization of the ME. Some could argue whether that is valid or not, I do not know enough about the inner workings of the oil business to say but that is a LEGITIMATE argument.

My beef is with those like 350 who claim that W caused the the latest price spike because of his past links to the oil business. I see that as a baseless claim. The same people who claim Bush is an idiot, in their next breath, claim that somehow he is magically controlling the price of oil solely to help out his old oil buddies. I would like to hear someone explain just exactly how this works.

mikester 04-06-2005 05:08 AM

Reports state that the recent price hike can be attributed to the change in supply to this season's gas; "summer gas" which has to be formulated at a different consistency.

We always see a price spike from winter to spring - I don't know why anyone is surprised.

This administration has never been keen on the idea of energy conservation in their policies - I don't know why you would expect them to be it isn't in any of their histories.

There *IS* a marked amount of conflict of interest with Bush, Cheney, Condi Rice et all with regards to their business dealings and their administration. Seriously; Cheney should recuse himself from all desicions that involve Hal.

Bush is tied directly to big oil companies and Saudi Arabia - these are facts - not made up lies.

Now; I honestly don't know what the administration could do in the short term to bring oil prices down. They are only one driving factor in the price of gas however; Our refining capacity is a bigger problem I think. It's very simply stated that it isn't truely a supply problem as nobody is running out at this point so why prices continue to climb is anyone's guess. It's the threat of a shortage? I don't know...

speeder 04-06-2005 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by mikester
Reports state that the recent price hike can be attributed to the change in supply to this season's gas; "summer gas" which has to be formulated at a different consistency.

Now; I honestly don't know what the administration could do in the short term to bring oil prices down. They are only one driving factor in the price of gas however; Our refining capacity is a bigger problem I think. It's very simply stated that it isn't truely a supply problem as nobody is running out at this point so why prices continue to climb is anyone's guess. It's the threat of a shortage? I don't know...

Mike, There is no mystery as to the reasons for the unprecedented run-up of the price of oil. It is traded as a commodity on the open world market and all players agree that prices are being driven by fear of future supply disruptions due to "political events" in oil producing regions, ie. wars.

I do not think that Bush and company are cunning, (or effective), enough to purposely have manipulated this outcome. You are talking about leaders who couldn't pull off a dinner for eight w/o someone winding up in the ER and Halliburton cleaning their shorts out for the catering. Their incompetence on the world stage is precisely the reason for the current out-of-control, destabilised situation.

As for any normal, seasonal fluctuation in the price of gasoline, that would be on top of what we are talking about here. That is liking saying that the price of a good boat in Southern Indonesia has gone up because summer is coming. :cool:

Superman 04-06-2005 10:13 AM

Denis and Mike are correct. As with any important commodity (such as energy.oil), uncertainty really rocks the price-boat. And that's what we have right now. A destabilized oil industry. So, not only are prices deliciously high from the perspective of the oil industry, those prices are artificial since they do not reflect a decrease in supply, but rather simply a WORRY about possible future supply problems. And investors (which the "market" considers to be hands-down the last and best word in expectations) seem to think prices need to go even higher.

John Kenneth Galbraith, one of the two most widely respected economists of the last century, has some interesting thought regarding capitalism, democracy, and governments being captured by business interests. Dubya did not do all this, but many believe (Superman believes) that business interests are essentially running out government. They are not citizens, and their interests sometimes run contrary to the good of the people, but somehow they have been permitted, and continue to be permitted, to wag our politicians around at will. Those of you who think this is in the best interests of the nation are not fooling me. Yourselves, maybe. Not me.

kach22i 04-06-2005 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by speeder
That is liking saying that the price of a good boat in Southern Indonesia has gone up because summer is coming. :cool:
Oh that's a good one.:)

Even if you had insurance, getting a replacement over there must pretty tight right now.

Most boats were uninsured when tsunami struck
http://www.thehindu.com/2005/01/07/stories/2005010715260300.htm
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CHENNAI, JAN. 6. Almost all the mechanised boats damaged by the December 26 tsunami at the Royapuram fishing harbour were not insured, despite public and private sector insurance companies offering marine insurance.
Of course there is a connection to GWB and high gas prices, just as there is a connection to GWB and death, war and spending like there is no tomorrow.

speeder 04-09-2005 01:04 PM

Question: How does an industry double the price of a utility that every person in the world uses daily, (directly or indirectly), w/o sparking a commie revolution?

Answer: First you triple the price, (for just a short while, don't want to push it too far), ;), then slowly dial it back a click or two and tell everyone to ***** in their hat and pull it down over their ears if they get cold next winter.

And you will like it! :)

And no need to thank us for the recent price reduction, we are just looking out for you, our valued customer! :rolleyes:


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