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VINMAN 06-06-2005 07:37 AM

This guy needs a beating!
 
Normaly I dont post or get involved in the political arguing on here, but after seeing this lowlife, my bloods boiling! :mad:
This guy has to be the lowest form of life on the planet, what a POS!
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player.html?052005/hc_webhate_052005&Hannity_Colmes&Forsake%20Our%20T roops%3F&acc&U.S.%20%26%20World&-1&wvx-300

widebody911 06-06-2005 07:51 AM

This was already exposed as a hoax

VINMAN 06-06-2005 08:08 AM

How so?

Schrup 06-06-2005 09:25 AM

His death was a hoax, not him. http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-855155.php

Christien 06-06-2005 10:08 AM

That has to be the most biased news "reporter"/anchorman/interviewer I've ever heard. Never mind the fact that indeed the interviewee is indeed a moron, the interviewer should at least put on the pretense of neutrality. Fox "news" sucks.

lendaddy 06-06-2005 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christien
That has to be the most biased news "reporter"/anchorman/interviewer I've ever heard. Never mind the fact that indeed the interviewee is indeed a moron, the interviewer should at least put on the pretense of neutrality. Fox "news" sucks.
Your obvious ignorance on this shows why "Fox News" is vilified by those that have no idea what it is. Hannity is NOT a reporter, anchorman, or anything of the like. He is a commentator. A right wing commmentaor that is paid to express his conservative opinion for entertainment value. The other guy(Colmbs) is his left wing counterpart that is paid to express his liberal opinion for entertainment value. Get it? It is NOT a news report, and if he was "neutral" they would fire him for not doing his job.

Man, how do people generate such powerful opinions on these things, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about?

Christien 06-06-2005 10:22 AM

I've never watched the show before, nor heard of the commentator. We don't get fox news here, at least not that I know of. I have read several fox "news" stories, though, so I'm not entirely unfamiliar with it.

I think, however, my "obvious ignorance" could be forgiven, considering the screen had not one but two logos clearly reading "FOX NEWS"; this *would* lead me to believe I was watching a news program.

cool_chick 06-06-2005 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
Your obvious ignorance on this shows why "Fox News" is vilified by those that have no idea what it is. Hannity is NOT a reporter, anchorman, or anything of the like. He is a commentator. A right wing commmentaor that is paid to express his conservative opinion for entertainment value. The other guy(Colmbs) is his left wing counterpart that is paid to express his liberal opinion for entertainment value. Get it? It is NOT a news report, and if he was "neutral" they would fire him for not doing his job.

Man, how do people generate such powerful opinions on these things, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about?

And some on the right have the audacity to call other media sources "biased?"

This channel "claims" to be fair and balanced.

Now I do agree, the interviewee is a total schmuck, but that's some of the most unprofessional interviewing I've ever seen.

techweenie 06-06-2005 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christien
I've never watched the show before, nor heard of the commentator. We don't get fox news here, at least not that I know of. I have read several fox "news" stories, though, so I'm not entirely unfamiliar with it.


There's a reason informed people call it "Faux News."

Tishabet 06-06-2005 11:32 AM

Didn't you guys read Lendaddy's post? The guy is a COMMENTATOR, not a REPORTER. Commentators are by their very charter supposed to be skewed. He is by his very essence leaning in one direction....that's the whole point!

cool_chick 06-06-2005 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Tshabet
Didn't you guys read Lendaddy's post? The guy is a COMMENTATOR, not a REPORTER. Commentators are by their very charter supposed to be skewed. He is by his very essence leaning in one direction....that's the whole point!
With this kind of "lean", perhaps FOX needs to change their slogan! This is not "fair and balanced."

OMG that was so unprofessional...how does this guy keep his job? How can people enjoy watching that crap? I agree the interviewee is a total schmuck, but OMG.....

Christien 06-06-2005 11:53 AM

I was responding to what felt like an attack on me - I'd never seen the program or heard of the commentator, and judging by the 2 logos on the screen, assumed I was watching a clip from a news program. I think that's a fair assumption.

In spite of this, I think he still was very unprofessional. Commentators in a program like this most definitely need a bias, or else it would be boring, but this guy was basically berating the interviewee. What's the point in asking questions if you're not going to listen to the answer? I can see why people might want to watch this - many dogmatic people like to have their beliefs confirmed by TV, and I'd say that applies equally to the left or right. It's just not news, though. News and entertainment are 2 completely different things, at least they should be. The only time they should cross paths are when discussing who Brad Pitt is sleeping with this week.

I might be adding fuel to the fire, but I've never understood why left and right have to be opposite. Why can't each side admit the other may have good points about some issues?

lendaddy 06-06-2005 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
And some on the right have the audacity to call other media sources "biased?"

This channel "claims" to be fair and balanced.

Now I do agree, the interviewee is a total schmuck, but that's some of the most unprofessional interviewing I've ever seen.



AARARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH

You people kill me. Ever watch Crossfire? The Mcglocklin Group? This is an ENTERTAINMENT SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good grief

Christien 06-06-2005 12:26 PM

Honestly, why does this kill you? Because a couple people have pointed out that a channel that claims to be "fair and balanced" is anything but? I disagree that it's really an entertainment show. It's done under the guise of what I believe is referred to as a "news magazine" show. This interviewer gave the interviewee a verbal smack down. The point of a news magazine show is to delve deeper into an issue, which a regular 6:00 newscast doesn't have time for. The point of an interview is to ask questions and hopefully discover more subtle points about an issue. Berating your interview subject does not even attempt to accomplish that task.

If it's "entertainment" then maybe it shouldn't be on a cable "news" channel. Fox has plenty of regular entertainment channels.

lendaddy 06-06-2005 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christien
Honestly, why does this kill you? Because a couple people have pointed out that a channel that claims to be "fair and balanced" is anything but? I disagree that it's really an entertainment show. It's done under the guise of what I believe is referred to as a "news magazine" show. This interviewer gave the interviewee a verbal smack down. The point of a news magazine show is to delve deeper into an issue, which a regular 6:00 newscast doesn't have time for. The point of an interview is to ask questions and hopefully discover more subtle points about an issue. Berating your interview subject does not even attempt to accomplish that task.

If it's "entertainment" then maybe it shouldn't be on a cable "news" channel. Fox has plenty of regular entertainment channels.

OMG, I give up. Yep, Hannity is a bad reporter:rolleyes: My head hurts. Go watch Keith Olberman for fair reporting, or how about McEnroe? Unbelievable, really, wow............

Christien 06-06-2005 12:48 PM

Sorry to make your head hurt - I don't mean any disrespect, just disagreed with what you were saying, and how you said it.

No idea who Keith Olberman or McEnroe are. I get the vast majority of my news from the CBC - an arms-length crown corporation that doesn't have to answer to either the government or to shareholders to justify ratings, and thus I believe to be the most unbiased (and unsensationalist) news source in either Canada or the US.

RickM 06-06-2005 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Christien
Honestly, why does this kill you? Because a couple people have pointed out that a channel that claims to be "fair and balanced" is anything but? I disagree that it's really an entertainment show. It's done under the guise of what I believe is referred to as a "news magazine" show. This interviewer gave the interviewee a verbal smack down. The point of a news magazine show is to delve deeper into an issue, which a regular 6:00 newscast doesn't have time for. The point of an interview is to ask questions and hopefully discover more subtle points about an issue. Berating your interview subject does not even attempt to accomplish that task.

If it's "entertainment" then maybe it shouldn't be on a cable "news" channel. Fox has plenty of regular entertainment channels.

Pretty strong analysis for someone who never saw one show.

Superman 06-06-2005 12:52 PM

Gosh, those Fox people certainly are not objective, or "fair and balanced." Care to comment, Len?

TheMentat 06-06-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Your obvious ignorance on this shows why "Fox News" is vilified by those that have no idea what it is. Hannity is NOT a reporter, anchorman, or anything of the like. He is a commentator. A right wing commmentaor that is paid to express his conservative opinion for entertainment value. The other guy(Colmbs) is his left wing counterpart that is paid to express his liberal opinion for entertainment value. Get it? It is NOT a news report, and if he was "neutral" they would fire him for not doing his job.

Man, how do people generate such powerful opinions on these things, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about?

The reason that FOX News (and this show in particular) is vilified is usually because of the inherent bias built into the show... Colmes is a pussy, and doesn't represent the left very effectively. Furthermore, Hannity gets about 5x more airtime than Colmes...

Christien 06-06-2005 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by RickM
Pretty strong analysis for someone who never saw one show.
Not sure if you mean strong as in accurate or strong as in opinionated. It's true I haven't seen more than the linked clip, and I could be wrong about the nature of the show. I was assuming it was similar to a show like 60 minutes, Crossfire, Meet the Press, etc.

Chris

edit for typos - d'oh.

lendaddy 06-06-2005 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Christien
Sorry to make your head hurt - I don't mean any disrespect, just disagreed with what you were saying, and how you said it.

No idea who Keith Olberman or McEnroe are. I get the vast majority of my news from the CBC - an arms-length crown corporation that doesn't have to answer to either the government or to shareholders to justify ratings, and thus I believe to be the most unbiased (and unsensationalist) news source in either Canada or the US.

Ok, I'm going to assume you really don't know(CoolChick does however know). This is an entertainment show on Fox. There is a right wing nut and a leftwing nut on at the same time. They both admit to being con/lib respectively and do not hide their beliefs in the least. In fact they celebrate them. Their job is to duke it out every night with guests. It's like political sport. It is NOT news reporting, it is discussion of the news from both sides of the political spectrum. That's it, they are paid to create excitement and arguments like this.


Now compare that to Hardball on NBC. Chris Mattews is a Democrat and has worked in Democratic administrations. They do NOT inform the viewership of this and the show claims to be unbiased. George Stephanopolis (SP) has a similar show on ABC (I think) he also worked in Democratic administrations and ran Clintons campaign. They do NOT inform the viewership of this and the show claims to be unbiased.

Fox News gives Hannity a show, they flat azz tell you he's a HUGE Conservative, hires a Liberal to debate him. And you find Fox to be the one that is biased??????????????

Uhhh where's my beer:confused:

Superman 06-06-2005 01:04 PM

Let's put Chris Matthews on Hannity's show. Let that other so-called "liberal" take a break from all that vigorous debating, and let Matthews square off with Hannity for an hour or so.

Christien 06-06-2005 01:07 PM

Ok, fair enough. I don't have a hard time believing the other networks are biased also. That's a real problem with corporate media. Though as I understand it NPR isn't that great either.

I also still stand by my comment about not mixing entertainment with news. Facts get distorted, truth gets diluted and opinions tend to end up being passed off as truths.

makaio 06-06-2005 01:08 PM

Sorry to highjack, but Superman, your PM is full. I just sent you an email.

lendaddy 06-06-2005 01:11 PM

Hey I admit Hannity is just a cheerleader. He is not a mental giant. So what, he tells you his motivations right out. Colmbs has a radio show (on Fox radio network GASP) and he is a liberal and educated. Much more so than Hannity, he's just not as entertaining. Like I said, it's an entertainment show.

Superman 06-06-2005 01:15 PM

I think it would be REAL entertaining to put Hannity and Matthews at a table together.

cool_chick 06-06-2005 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
Hey I admit Hannity is just a cheerleader. He is not a mental giant. So what, he tells you his motivations right out. Colmbs has a radio show (on Fox radio network GASP) and he is a liberal and educated. Much more so than Hannity, he's just not as entertaining. Like I said, it's an entertainment show.
Belongs on a channel that does not tout itself as "fair and balanced."

Honestly, do you enjoy watching this kind of stuff? Because I sure don't enjoy watching such trash stuff that I agree or disagree with.

See the funny thing is, I do agree the interviewee is a schmuck. But Hannity...OMG right-wingers say our society has degenerated, well taking a look at people like Hannity (another good example is Savage and Rush), I believe they're correct.

lendaddy 06-06-2005 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cool_chick
Belongs on a channel that does not tout itself as "fair and balanced."

Honestly, do you enjoy watching this kind of stuff? Because I sure don't enjoy watching such trash stuff that I agree or disagree with.

See the funny thing is, I do agree the interviewee is a schmuck. But Hannity...OMG right-wingers say our society has degenerated, well taking a look at people like Hannity (another good example is Savage and Rush), I believe they're correct.

Equal time means fair and balanced. So they cannot have a right winger on? Even if he has an opponent from the left? To me that is thee definition of fair and balanced. You Libs just love to hate Fox News, it's your whipping boy and I'll be damned if I'll take that away from you:D

Seriously though, you're more offended by that show (that spells its motivations and bias' on both sides) than by the network shows that keep their bias' hidden? What percentage of the viewers of Stephanopolis' show do you think know what his previous job was? Ok, now what percentage of Hannitys' viewers know he's a right winger? Soooooooo...who is being honest and fair?

RickM 06-06-2005 02:24 PM

BTW, the link works but the vid never starts..... :(

lendaddy 06-06-2005 02:26 PM

It took a long time to load for me Rick. Who knows.

TheMentat 06-06-2005 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
Equal time means fair and balanced. So they cannot have a right winger on? Even if he has an opponent from the left? To me that is thee definition of fair and balanced.

To the point I was making earlier, the show is not "really" fair and balanced, despite having somebody on the left and right. Colmes is (or is made out to be) a complete pushover on that show. In my mind, thats even worse because it's done under the guise of neutrality...

skipdup 06-06-2005 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by TheMentat ...
Colmes is (or is made out to be) a complete pushover on that show. ...
That's simply a result of the bankrupt views of the left. :D

Truth always wins out!

- Skip

skipdup 06-06-2005 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cool_chick
OMG that was so unprofessional...how does this guy keep his job? How can people enjoy watching that crap? I agree the interviewee is a total schmuck, but OMG.....
The interviewee was celebrating the DEATHS of our service men. That was not normal behavior for Hannity, but I understand why he got so hot. Can't you???

- Skip

Tishabet 06-06-2005 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
AARARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH

You people kill me. Ever watch Crossfire? The Mcglocklin Group? This is an ENTERTAINMENT SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good grief

Couldn't have said it better myself Lendaddy...
My guess is that you and I would disagree on lots of stuff politically, but the idea you and I are tryingn to convey goes beyond politics and deals more with how people view the world. I don't know how much clearer you could be with your explanations.

skipdup 06-06-2005 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Superman
Gosh, those Fox people certainly are not objective, or "fair and balanced." Care to comment, Len?
That was the funniest post I've seen in a while. Are the rest of you not paying attention? It's genius I tells ya!

Tishabet 06-06-2005 03:52 PM

reading some of these posts deriding Fox news for their lack of "fair and balanced" reporting is just maddening. Do you guys even hear yourselves? I mean, I think Fox news is absolute CRAP! But this show plainly represents itself as entertainment on par with open political debate... I am INCREDULOUS about Supe's first post.

cool_chick 06-06-2005 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
Equal time means fair and balanced. So they cannot have a right winger on? Even if he has an opponent from the left? To me that is thee definition of fair and balanced. You Libs just love to hate Fox News, it's your whipping boy and I'll be damned if I'll take that away from you:D

Seriously though, you're more offended by that show (that spells its motivations and bias' on both sides) than by the network shows that keep their bias' hidden? What percentage of the viewers of Stephanopolis' show do you think know what his previous job was? Ok, now what percentage of Hannitys' viewers know he's a right winger? Soooooooo...who is being honest and fair?


Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

And I don't know if their "bias" is "hidden" how do you hide bias? If it's so well "hidden," then is it even so existant as the right-wingers claim? I personally think it's extremely exaggerated claim.

I don't think a channel who doesn't "hide" their bias and is straightforward regarding it should be calling themselves "fair and balanced." Sorry, my opinion, it's not going to change.

tabs 06-06-2005 04:08 PM

I've got to get out of the house..this is all starting to make sense to me....

lendaddy 06-06-2005 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Well to be honest, I personally don't watch any of those shows. I'm not really interested in someone else's opinion.

And I don't know if their "bias" is "hidden" how do you hide bias? If it's so well "hidden," then is it even so existant as the right-wingers claim? I personally think it's extremely exaggerated claim.

I don't think a channel who doesn't "hide" their bias and is straightforward regarding it should be calling themselves "fair and balanced." Sorry, my opinion, it's not going to change.

I said Hannity doesn't hide HIS bias, not that the channel does. Am I really that bad a getting my points accross?

BTW, you hide bias easily, and to claim it cant be done is laughable. I think this may be your debating tactic, frustrate me with nonsense. You're doing this on purpose:D

cool_chick 06-06-2005 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
I said Hannity doesn't hide HIS bias, not that the channel does. Am I really that bad a getting my points accross?

BTW, you hide bias easily, and to claim it cant be done is laughable. I think this may be your debating tactic, frustrate me with nonsense. You're doing this on purpose:D


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