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tabs 07-04-2005 10:14 AM

Aren't we being SMUG Gav....

Well lets ask Daniel Perle about his Human Rights after they chopped his head off.....and I suppose U like $60 fora Barrel of Oil...Why don't U wake up fella and realize that the USA is the only country that has ever brought Human Rights to the table...the others only use it as a propaganda tool for their own ends...

kach22i 07-04-2005 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by techweenie
Today, there are about 40 million Americans who get their notions of national comportment through radio entertainers who see the world as one big WWE match.

Although their voices are loud, they are not the majority.

Here is the alternative:

http://www.airamericaradio.com/


If you want a version of a "sound a like" Rush in liberal clothes look no further than Ed Shultz (not my style - like Randi Rhodes, Jerry Springer and Al Franken better).

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/randirhodes/affiliates/affiliates_index.php

http://www.wxdx1310.com/ed_schultz.html

tabascobobcat 07-04-2005 01:49 PM

Jerry Springer and Al Franken...........
No thank you.
Their names alone say enough.

Charles Shultz...now there is a name that I have heard of.

You take your advice from Springer and admitt it ???

artplumber 07-04-2005 04:45 PM

Away from the rhetoric, there are some truisms. 1. Bad idea to invade a country in a part of the world where they hate us already. 2. No apparent exit plan. 3. On the basis of highly questionable intelligence (back to that oxymoron).

On the other hand, can anyone dispute that this guy was bad for his people and his country. Killed however many thousands of Kurds and Shiites (when they rebelled after the first Gulf War). Even if he didn't currently have WMD's, he had them before and was trying to get them again. He would have been happy to use them on Israel or sell to the highest bidder. He also skimmed millions of dollars from oil (even before oil for food) to make the palaces bigger rather than raise the living standards in the country. Finally, he decided to play a diplomatic game of chicken with the current superpower headed by a guy who wanted to finish what dad didn't.

gavinlit 07-04-2005 07:42 PM

Actually tabs I prefer the lower case smug ;) What I'm trying to say is that regardless of how the other side acts it's difficult to hold some kind of moral high ground if your own side is engaging in pretty questionable stuff as well. You can argue all you like about the need to take certain actions (such as invading iraq) for practical purposes like resource supply, or because saddam was a bad guy (agree) but there's really no argument for throwing out agreed international conventions while you're at it.

Pointing to others and saying 'look what they're doing' is really no defence. To say that the US is the only country ever to bring human rights to the table is also pretty extreme & even if it were true, has no bearing on current actions other than to perhaps show how far the country has slid.


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