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"In another PP thread today, it was stated by a liberal that the media were not part of the "far left." The implication is that they are somehow close to moderate." Regarding your opening contention. I put to you that there is no "far left" in the United States. None. What passes for the "left" in the US only looks that way because of the rabidness of the Right. Most of the "leftist" voices I read here are very quite centrist. "Liberal media" like CNN and ABC just looks like more American propoganda from outside .....Hard to tell from FOX really. |
I guess it would depend on how you define left or right. I do not use a multinational scale. I look at what I consider mainstream in middle USA as centrist or moderate....far left of that is "far left." Far right of that is "far right."
By the way, I really enjoyed a recent visit to northern part of your country. It was quite beautiful. |
Yeah, but Fint isn't that a flawed way of doing it?
By that measure, you would have been on the left in Nazi Germany (I don't think I've ever brought up Nazi in an argument, and I think I might just have lost). Or, the "liberal" media would be considered ultra conservative if you lived in the Netherlands. It is what it is - somewhere in the middle (they actually have to have a different version of CNN internationally as the US version is a bit too right). |
I guess that is just the libertarian in me....I really don't care much about the politics elsewhere....I have enough problems figuring them out here with all the liberal disinformation.
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How do you know it isn't conservative disinformation making you believe that the liberal information is, in fact, disinformation?
And I'm being serious, despite the doubletalk. The media is powerful - we would both acknowledge that - and you know you watch Fox (considered worthy of a documentary by liberals on its biasedness, although this raises the question as to whether a documentary on the disinformation of Fox is in fact disinformation itself). Anyway, where was I going with this? Oh yeah - you still can't consider the media to have a liberal bias just because it is more liberal than you. |
fint: We ALL would like to think of ourselves as moderate and in the majority. Fact of the matter is that some of us (me included) are not.
Measuring anything in personal terms is misleading at best and delusional at worst. If you ARE right of center, be proud of it and admit it. It is not a sin. |
I will consider it conservative disinformation when I see beyond a doubt that they are lying...as I have seen time again with the democrats. Once again, I consider it far left based on my observation of what constitutes the mainstream of the USA. Although I am widely traveled, i do not consider myself an expert on politics elsewhere. Apparently my observations are more accurate than most liberals who post here who were so sure that Kerry would win by a landslide that they were trying to take bets right before the election.
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Well, they didn't have their fingers on the electoral pulse, because it was always gonna be close.
You don't really have to be well travelled. All you need to know is that every english speaking country, plus all of Western Europe, has a government to the left of yours. (edit) Actually, you've raised an interesting point - you refer to seeing conservative media "lying". The reason that its interesting is because of the constant battle to redefine the truth. Two items could have the same degree of truth to them but come out of the media washer entirely differently. Fox has a well known reputation for dressing up Administration talking points as news (and hence "truth"). Does truth need the other side of "fair and balanced"? |
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