Funny, I moved out of SoCal 16 years ago and I'm glad to be gone. From what I understand, all of the things I disliked about the area have only gotten worse.

Edit: I think this sounds harsh and it was not intended to be. I enjoyed SoCal, but it's too crowded and smoggy for me. (Smog gave me migraines.) Heck, I moved away from Chicago because it was too crowded, and it's got nothing on SoCal. I'd like to visit again some day, but I don't think I could ever live there again.

:eek:

I agree. About half the people in the state need to move out for it to become liveable again.

Laurel Canyon is OK, but there are many other nice(r) places to live depending on what you're looking for.

We could always use a good earthquake or a riot or two to scare some people out of here and make houses affordable again, but I still find it extremely livable where I am. Parts of SoCal *have* gotten unlivable due to crowdedness/overpopulation, but thank God not in my area yet. I can't think of any desirable place to live on the planet that has gotten better in the last 30 years, though.

It's that ugly thing called "growth" that Republicans love so much, usually at the expense of just about anything else. More shopping malls, more mega-stores, ever rising RE prices, more people to buy schit, more-more-more.....

Sorry, I'm drifting OT here. I've been meaning to start another thread about "growth", I vow to do that today. I feel like the world is tilting towards an age of scarcity, w/ a constantly increasing gap between haves and have nots, reflected in RE prices and overpopulation which anyone can see by the ruination of a lot of beautiful places on earth. It will also be reflected in oil prices, which has already started. California is ground-zero for our consumer culture, for better or worse it is the most Western place in the universe. That's why I love it, but it's also why 1/2 the people on earth want to live here.

As for Laurel Canyon, the descriptions of shacks/small garages/no yards are partially true, but the primo places have great yards w/ lots of usable land. You guys just don't know the canyon. And of course the good spots are more precious than ever, with the new RE religion in the U.S. :rolleyes:

Laurel Canyon......cool movie with Frances McDormand (I think). If it was actually filmed there it looks like a cool place but then I'm an ex-hippie.

That was the worst movie that I've ever seen half of in my life. Vomitous.