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Dan Mc Intyre 09-29-2005 07:47 AM

I sure didn't think this was going to turn ugly. The woman honked me off. And what gets me is that she just walked away. No notice, nada!

She has been replaced. I think I got a good one this time. But then, I think that each time.

Dan

Superman 09-29-2005 07:51 AM

Len is not converted. He's facetious.

In Washington State, unemployment benefits would not go to someone in this circumstance. Welfare benefits, maybe. but not the unemployment benefits that employers ultimately pay for. And rightly so. Folks who quit jobs are not entitled to those benefits. Those benefits go to workers who are laid off or fired, unless the employer can prove that the worker got themselves fired deliberately in order to get the benefits without the hastle of having to work (hard to prove).

Len, if liberals actually thought like the caricatures you and the other neocons portray, then you'd be justified in dismissing them. If you were to acknowledge that they are actually reasonable, thinking people who happened to have a different viewpoint than you, then you'd have to respect their views and deal with them.

As Dan says, there are unfortunate people in our society who need our help. And liberals go to bat for those people. I go to bat for them. This woman does not fall into that category. Except in caricaturizations.

Dan Mc Intyre 09-29-2005 07:52 AM

Yea, I got that part, sup.

lendaddy 09-29-2005 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by Superman
Len is not converted. He's facetious.

In Washington State, unemployment benefits would not go to someone in this circumstance. Welfare benefits, maybe. but not the unemployment benefits that employers ultimately pay for. And rightly so. Folks who quit jobs are not entitled to those benefits.

Also wrong, all you have to do is claim you were emotionally unable to continue working there. Stress, intimidation, anything...then the employer must disprove it...... goooooooooood luck.

Edit: Noticed you said "In Washington State" which may be different than Michigan but I doubt thewy would be less "worker" than us.

Rodeo 09-29-2005 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Where do you live?
I live in Rhode Island, the state that denied her unemployment benefits (quite correctly), and the state that WILL deny her welfare benefits if she is able to but refuses to work.

CamB 09-29-2005 01:25 PM

Even if she is entitled to some sort of benefits, she may change her tune after a while if/when she works out the benefits aren't much.

Of course, her job and the level of welfare paid could be very similar, in which case someone should correct me. That is definitely not the case here (our govt subsidises child care for working mothers).

cool_chick 09-29-2005 03:04 PM

28 days in three months? Our probationary period, you're not supposed to miss 1 day. She would've been gone long ago.

And yes, I do agree with you and with conservatives on this one.....I'm a pretty hard worker and I don't understand why others take such little pride in their work, in their capabilities.

Dixie 09-29-2005 03:11 PM

Quote:

But you guys do make enough money to carry her right? Perhaps you could enroll her in a self help program? I really don't see why she or her family should suffer just so you can make more profits.
This must be a troll, but I'll bite...

Sure. Carry the employee. Add the costs to the end product. Let the consumer realize they can buy the non-compassionate-child-labor version for 85% less. In turn have your company outsource all the decent paying jobs to Thailand. After all, those ex-employees can collect compassionate benefits form the government. When they want to know their benefit status they can call a help desk staffed in India.

...And we wonder why America can no longer compete.

lendaddy 09-29-2005 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Capt. Carrera
This must be a troll, but I'll bite...

Sure. Carry the employee. Add the costs to the end product. Let the consumer realize they can buy the non-compassionate-child-labor version fro 75% less. In turn have your company outsource all the decent paying jobs to Thailand. After all, those ex-employees can collect compassionate benefits form the government. When they want to know their benefit status they can call a help desk staffed in India.

...And we wonder why America can no longer compete.

I was indeed being sarcastic, you and I agree.


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