Regarding conception, etc, the issue isn't what anyone believes. Clearly you can argue that issue forever, and no one if going to change anyone's mind. It's a matter of faith, conviction, morality, and--above all--PRIVACY! Which is what this thread is about...

Thanks for your nice words, Supe. I'm glad that you started this thread, it has been an interesting discussion.

Like you, I believe that Americans have much more in common than most of us admit, and what is interesting to me is to try to find that commonality. Freedom is one of the issues we all agree on, but it never hurts to explore exactly what freedom in America means. Not in the abstract, flag-waiving kind of way, but relation to the hard issues of the day.

No one says, "I don’t like liberty." No one argues, "Americans are too free." The attacks don’t come frontally. They come in the form of well-meaning encroachments on our private lives, and on our liberty to do and say what we want. And they usually come at the very outer boundaries of taste and decency. That’s what makes them so hard to resist.

So starting from common ground leads to a much more productive and thoughtful discussion of the hard issues. And at the end of the day, we need to understand that we live in dangerous times, and that as Americans we have to stand together to fight for our way of life.

Absolutely.

I had hoped Mr. Cramer would give his input, but I suspect he's got a hatred issue going. Still, he's got some insights into constitutional law that the rest of us don't have. Bummer.

I hate it when some hack judge constructs law.