And I agree. If you didn't, you're not at fault.

But Jeff said he's pushed people before. Hell, once last summer I egged on kid in a Jetta to something similar. When they guy turned in to a driveway and gave me the "WTF?" look, I decided it really wasn't worth potentially being reported. Didn't help that I saw an abnormal number of cops on my journey shortly after...

Now I don't believe pursuing people on the street for fun gets anyone anywhere but in an eventual accident.

"I cannot count how many times a big truck sees me coming up and nails it like we are in a race or something."

I get this all the time as well. I have backed off many times out of concern for others around us. Seems these morons have to "show the guy in the Porsche" what their 3 ton behemoth is capable of.

I tend to attract more mother-driven astrovans than anything around here. I generally do a fairly good clip on the highways (but not in heavy traffic), and when I pass a mini-van of some sort, a lot of times the driver gets all pissy and puts their (usually HER) foot into it. Next thing you know, they're passing me at about 40-50 (Kmph) over the limit, and I'm still at the same speed.

The psychology of driving, when it comes to passing, is quite fascinating to me. Some of the best fun you can have involves setting your cruise control and watching the reactions as you pass people. Some don't care, others take it personally and speed up and pass you... and then slow right back down. When you pass them again (doing the same, constant speed), they get even more pissed off and pass you again... like you were being personal. After a bit of this, I usually just look at them, shake my head, chuckle, and then put my foot into it and blast ahead of them enough that they are no longer close enough to be involved.

Huh??!! How on earth does driving a car with a buddy, coming upon some totally uninvolved stranger that decides for himself to try to play along, equate in any way to a robbery???? That's one of the better leaps I think I have ever heard on this board. Consider me whatever you like, but there is no way on earth anyone but the guy behind the wheel is responsible for his actions. Now a pre-planned race of some kind, where one car wrecks, could arguably be a different situation. But this? You're pulling our leg, right?

Sorry, it was just an old/inside Pelican joke about being a parts vulture whenever a crash occurs. But I really do need that motor. ;)

Ford PS diesels and Dodge/Cummins can easily whup older 911s in a drag race w/ a few mods, but on a curvy road it's a different story. What a freakin' moron.

Did he have a "W" sticker? :)

I'm kidding, OK? What would a drunk driving fake cowboy have in common w/ our CIC?

Absolutely not. Let me explain myself in a hypothetical situation:

An idiot has a bank robbery all planned out. He's armed, has a getaway car, he's a man with a plan. He wants his friend #2 to come along and won't do it without #2. Let's say #2 consents, and everything goes downhill from there. Is #2 not an accessory, even though none of it was his idea?

In a race like this, the idiot guy is all set to try and race you. Just like robber #1, he can't do it by himself, since he can't race himself. You go along with it in the Porsche and dig in on the gas. He goes off the road, totals his truck, whatnot. At this point, you're saying you're not responsible along with him for whatever crimes the police determine have been committed? (aside from DUI) Even if nothing happens, you've still driven recklessly. Racing wasn't your idea, but you went along with it, all the same.

Good example or not, IMO, if you agree to race by engaging in tactics with the guy in front of you, you hold partial responsibility for whatever happens. End of story.

Your version is a fairy tale...he didn't do anything wrong and wasn't racing. I've had similar experiences like that where the idiot sees a 911 and thinks they have to prove something. The only one at fault here was the drunk in the truck....and of course, George Bush :)

In Jeffs story that guy in the truck is totally resposible for his own actions. All he has to do is slow down and let them by. This guy in the truck has what I call Corvette mentality. I see it from Vette owners at DE's all the time. They refuse to concede that someone can be faster than them and will do everything they can to keep them behind them. I had a Vette ruin my session one time when I was in my MINI because he would not allow me to pass and go my happy way. He had to race me on the straights (the ONLY place he was fast) and hold me up in the turns.

I had a Dodge Caravan chasing me down in my Posche on I-40 through the Smokey mountains. Since I had just taken delivery of it I decided to move over and let him by. I was not too confident in it and did not want to push it. I followed the Caravan waiting for it to loose control due to its amazing body roll and the fact it would run out of road on the exits of the turns. (He was going that fast) According to you it was my fault for being on ther road with my Porsche and not pulling over when I saw him. I am sure my presence made him drive crazy and that was my fault.

Understood, I was responding to Jeff.

With respect, how so? I personally think driving reckless is worse, since anybody with a car can do it, it's treated lightly in our culture, and the probability of harming life with 3-5000lbs of steel in motion is quite possibly higher than an average robbery.

You pulled over, which is my point and is great. If you played with him, you'd have been no better. If our presence is what makes people go nuts, then if we let them go by, we aren't in their presence for that long. Problem solved for all. Then it's their problem if they want to overdrive their vehicle.

Another thought- maybe we're a product of environments. Living out in a pretty rural environment, everyone thinks my 944 is something special- it isn't. People in pickups walk up to me at the gas pump and tell me their brother's Porsche scares the $hit out of them in corners- true story. Having them acknowledge that is part of the reason I don't screw with them on the road.

I can be a hard-hearted person and think social Darwinism like this perhaps should happen to an extent. But I do think we have a small measure of responsibility for one another. Even if a person's an ass when driving, we have a responsibility to do something to keep them from hurting themselves or particularly the innocent passerby. IMO, that something is being the bigger man and not making a little street race. And for clarification, I understand the original poster didn't do all this, nor do I imply that.

And IMO, the drunk shouldn't ever again have a piece of plastic with his state name and picture on it in his wallet. Ever.

I deleted that but you grabbed the quote too fast. I apologize it was a harsh statement and not fair. I just do not get how the two interrelate.

I pulled over because I did not want to push my car. I did not know its limits yet and had no business pushing it.... yet.

My point is he pursued me. I gently folowed after, more to see if he would live very long after the pass. I was driving my P-car at 60%. How do I know. I pulled over to the side and hooked up my camcorder and stickypod and then caught back up to him in a matter of a minute. I video taped his antics bacause they were that funny.

I dont get it. What are you supposed to do if you come up on a slower car on a twisty road and desire to go past that car?? My P-car can go MUCH faster than my Dodge truck on a twisty road and when in my Dodge I make sure to not hold anyone up. Many times I have slowed on a straight and pointed by a faster car. Why is that so much to ask to common person? If some jerk is hellbent on teaching a lesson rather than moving out of the way he deserves whatever he gets. He is the reckless one not I, nor is any member of this board that wants to go faster than the car in front of them. Many times I will simply pull off a road and wait a few then go along at my pace because its obvious the car in front is not letting me by.

I probably haven't made this very clear, my fault. Following someone else who is commiting a crime makes you a criminal too. Being an accessory in robbery is the same as being an accessory in causing an accident. That's what it boils down to, for me. Encouraging a guy in front of you to do an unsafe 80 in a 50 makes you reckless by default, and no better than him.

Great question, I get the same problem at times and I hate it too. We both know the right thing to do is to drive the limit for that period of time or drive safely behind a car and accept that we can track the car or do that road another day.

I try to drive pretty cautiously around others because 1) the 944 isn't mine, 2) I don't pay the insurance, nor can I afford insurance on a 944, and 3) my parents have beaten it into me that they can lose everything in a lawsuit stemming from my bad decisions on the road. My parents are great enough to pay 90% of the cost of keeping the Porsche, I'm not going to risk it because I want to drive fast one day and want to pass a pickup.

Yellowline, you are simply wrong. Your analogies make no sense whatsoever. Your line of thinking is way off base on this one, and none of us agree with you. Maybe mommy and daddy's Porsche money would be better spent on an education. Just a suggestion.

If you street race, you're at risk of criminal and civil liability if the other guy has an accident - loses it, drifts over the centerline, head-ons an oncoming car, and kills an innocent mom and kids, etc.

If you're dicing with someone else in the twisties, pushing him hard and vice-versa, bombing the apexs at 2X the posted limit, are you "street racing"? Kind of a gray area, some cops would say you are, some prosecutors might agree, and some juries might as well. All you need is the first two to say so, and you're in for a big hassle even if the third says you're not.

Bottom-line, the safest thing to do is back off rather than take the risk the other guy kills himself or an bystander and you get caught up in it. I think yellowline is taking the careful approach, which I think is unusual and impressive for a young guy. I'd be happy if my kids (in about 12 years) have the same instincts.

My comment has nothing to do w/ 450knot, doesn't sound like he was doing anything like what I'm hypothetically describing.

Personally, I'll drive fast in deserted twisties. But if there's someone else around, I slow down.

Years ago, I destroyed an old Ford Ranchero that tried to follow me into downtown San Jose. Nobody was seriously hurt. I probably got my karmic payback a couple of years later when somebody tried to open my sunroof with a big screwdriver.

Actually, in NY you can drive how ever you want. You can freely race your friends, lose control, cause a head on collision, inflict damages to someone ..... and pay nothing.
The NY laws actually is designed if you hurt someone, you better cripple them, or lose an eye, or arm , or something similar. If they sue you, for anything less, they will lose.
** ask me how I know..
So, please everyone... If you want to drive like an A-hole come to NY, the state without consequences!

No, your karmic payback is getting stuck in OT with this dysfunctional lot until the end of time (Twilight Zone music playing in the background)...

I feel like Burgess Meredith when his glasses broke.

AAAAAUUUUGGGGHHH!