Scary picture of America

[FrayAdjacent911]

I found this posted on another forum. I think it's an interesting read...

Specifically about how it seems that we are starting to embrace diversity instead of unity, that instead of a 'melting pot', we're becoming a 'salad bowl'...

Here it is.

"Think something like this isn't happening?
Scary. It is happening as you read this....

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, �Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.' "

Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.�

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the do minance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school"

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having ma de America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.".

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in. America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream."

Discuss

[Superman]

Just brilliant. Scare people into thinking that diversity is the enemy. I know a guy who could probably make a room full of people believe that caribou are poised to attack.

[turbo6bar]

Great empires fall from within.

I would question his fifth point. Are Mexicans portraying themselves as victims?

[Jims5543]

By his predictions Miami should have imploded years ago.

[RoninLB]

The Chief stared at the government officials for over a minute and then calmly replied:
"When white man found the land, Indians were running it. No taxes, No debt, Plenty buffalo, Plenty beaver, Women did all the work, Medicine man free, Indian man spent all day hunting and fishing, all night having sex."

Then the chief leaned back and smiled. "Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that."

[FrayAdjacent911]

Like I mentioned, I think it makes some good points. Too many that come to this country are not adapting to it. They are not coming into the 'melting pot'. "when in Rome..." doesn't seem to be something they think they should do.

We have a lot of "Mexican-Americans", (legal or otherwise), but we also have many "Mexicans that happen to live in America". Also many other ethnicities and nationalities.

I think it's great to honor one's national traditions. I think it's great to even keep speaking your native language, and teach your kids, too. But I think everyone should realise that they are NOT where they came FROM. Though it's not OFFICIAL, we DO speak primarily English here.

We do have problems, and I think it will get worse as we go on with this embracing of diversity without giving any thought to unity.

[Moses]

We've got problems, that's for sure. In terms of importance, immigration isn't even on the radar.

We have a war in the middle east that looks more and more like a huge mistake.

We have tragic levels of deficit spending and obscene rates of taxation for small businesses.

We live in a welfare state. Welfare for unmarried reproduction specialists and corporate welfare at the expense of the public.

At the presently growing rate of disparity between production and spending, a collapse is inevitable.

Immigration? No problemo, baby!

[nostatic]

"The American Dream" - according to whom? Dead white men?

Jobs vanishing has nothing to do with immigration. That has to do with corporate greed and a populace that isn't smart enough to realize that they are walmarting themselves out of a job.

I wonder if Davis employs any illegals on his family farm in central CA? And I wonder if Lamm lives in CA? I like the different cultures here. I like the diversity. Its one of the reasons I live here, and frankly don't like most of the other states in the country. ymmv. And if you don't like CA, then please move or don't visit. Well, except Disneyland. Its the happiest place on earth...

[oldE]

"Immigrants! My family has had nothing but trouble with immigrants ever since we came to this country!"
It is true if you marginalize your neighbor, regardless of his race, color or creed, divisions will widen between you.
The speaker seems to bolster his 'arguement' by citing some well known countries with ethnically diverse populations, but I find it hard to think of many countries without diversity. India, The Phillipines, China, Italy, even England have components within their citizenry seeking to differentiate themselves from the majority.
The United States of America is not immune from the ebb and flow of history. As Egypt, Greece, Rome, Byzantium, China, England and others, it is doomed to complete the cycle. Our world is a dynamic, as are the people around us. Very few of us live in the same place all of our lives. Hopefully, fewer hold the same beliefs from cradle to grave. Lines and names on a map are not a country. That honor is held by the unassuming people who toil to feed their families and raise them to be good members of their community.
Les

[Hugh R]

Todd:

"Jobs vanishing has nothing to do with immigration. That has to do with corporate greed and a populace that isn't smart enough to realize that they are walmarting themselves out of a job."

I hope you don't believe the reason for a corporation to exist is to provide a job do you? The corporation is there to make money for its shareholders. The only reason anyone (including Universities) hires someone is because hiring that individual makes money for the employer. Gubmit excluded of course. As far as
Walmart, people said the same thing when Supermarkets first came into existance, that they would drive out the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker, which for the most part they did. Did you know that for the most part cold cereal like corn flakes didn't exist prior to the replacement of the horse with the automobile. General Mills, Kellogg and others needed another end user for their corn and grains.

Sure Walmart is changing the dynamics of shopping, but last month, I bought what appeared to me to be the same mouthwash at Walmart for about $1.71 that at Safeway cost $4.75.

[Halm]

Originally posted by FrayAdjacent911
We do have problems, and I think it will get worse as we go on with this embracing of diversity without giving any thought to unity.

WOW! This might be one of the top 3 most profound thoughts on this BB. Excellent. Somethig to really consider.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Hugh R
Todd:

"Jobs vanishing has nothing to do with immigration. That has to do with corporate greed and a populace that isn't smart enough to realize that they are walmarting themselves out of a job."

I hope you don't believe the reason for a corporation to exist is to provide a job do you?

Looks like you're one of the folks Nostatic was talking about. Your elegant and sophisticated economic model is neither.

Yes, corporations exist for the singular purpose of maximizing the wealth of its stockholders. It has no sense of social responsibility, only financial responsibility. And you're one of those who thinks that as they pursue the latter, the former will naturally flow.

The Greeks had Mount Olympus and the Middle Ages had the Geocentric Universe. Today we have the "self-regulating market." All myths. To the degree that any entity, like a corporation, improves the lives of citizens, great. To the degree that it doesn't, it's not welcome in my view. So far, they are not scoring well.

And Moses, immigration is a small issue to you but a big issue to Dubya. It might be an opportunity to do something that a few people will be comfortable with. Highly doubtful, as it's a divisive issue in his own party. But it's all he's got left. So far he's batting .000

[Moses]

What is truly American? A love of freedom? The drive to work hard to build a better future? I'll bet your average Mexican bracero has more in common with our immigrant grandparents than we do.

[Eric 951]

Based upon the post title, I was expecting something like this:

[Tobra]

Originally posted by Moses
What is truly American? A love of freedom? The drive to work hard to build a better future? I'll bet your average Mexican bracero has more in common with our immigrant grandparents than we do.

Not really. My immigrant grandparents came here legally, not because it was easy, but because it was the right thing to do. My immigrant grandfather spoke 5(five)languages when he came here. He learned French when he lived in Canada, earning the money so he could go to the US to save the money so his family could come to the US. That sounds nothing like how the bracero do it.

Moses, you should really go outside more often if you don't think illegal immigration is a problem. The crushing loads placed on the infrastructure in California will destroy this welfare state. As California goes, so goes the rest of the country, read up on that one.

BTW, yes the illegal immigrants constantly portray thmselves as victims. "Our children(All 11 of them) would starve to death if we stayed in our own country. We can't come to the US legally because it is too expensive and takes too long. We deserve to have driver's licenses because we do the jobs you won't. How can I take my children to school(that your tax dollars pay for, we don't pay taxes) or the hospital(for free health care at the ER courtesy of your tax dollars)

[cashflyer]

What was that about caribou? Are they rabid?
Will I get a FEMA trailer if caribou infest my home?

[turbo6bar]

It's too easy to blame illegals for the destruction of America. American citizens, without illegals, are perfectly capable of destroying this country.

I'd say let's swallow this pill. Kick out the illegals and form a real system for immigration and border control. In the interim, let's find a solution for sizeable wage inflation.

[Moses]

Originally posted by Tobra
Not really. My immigrant grandparents came here legally, not because it was easy, but because it was the right thing to do. My immigrant grandfather spoke 5(five)languages when he came here. He learned French when he lived in Canada, earning the money so he could go to the US to save the money so his family could come to the US. That sounds nothing like how the bracero do it.

Moses, you should really go outside more often if you don't think illegal immigration is a problem. The crushing loads placed on the infrastructure in California will destroy this welfare state. As California goes, so goes the rest of the country, read up on that one.

BTW, yes the illegal immigrants constantly portray thmselves as victims. "Our children(All 11 of them) would starve to death if we stayed in our own country. We can't come to the US legally because it is too expensive and takes too long. We deserve to have driver's licenses because we do the jobs you won't. How can I take my children to school(that your tax dollars pay for, we don't pay taxes) or the hospital(for free health care at the ER courtesy of your tax dollars)

The problems you outline have little to do with immigrants and lots to do with our ineffective immigration policy. Should children of non US citizens born here be automatic US citizens? Of course not. Should "illegal" immigrants qualify for welfare, free public education and healthcare? Of course not.

Like it or not, Californias robust agricultural economy is completely dependent on Mexican labor. We cannot do the job without them. We tried after the bracero program was dismantled by the first governor Brown. It was a complete failure.

We need an effective immigrant worker policy to protect the Mexican laborers as well as the taxpayers of this state. They should be allowed "visiting worker" visas with appropriate documentation. They deserve basic legal protection and fairness.

Immigration is Californias nasty paradox. Mexicans contribute hugely to our economic success, yet we treat them with distain for their efforts. In truth, there's not a bit of difference between todays Mexican immigrant and yesteryears European immigrant. And no, I don't think speaking seven languages makes one a better citizen.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Moses
In truth, there's not a bit of difference between todays Mexican immigrant and yesteryears European immigrant.

Sure there is...yesterday's European immigrant was white/anglo.

[Moses]

Originally posted by nostatic
Sure there is...yesterday's European immigrant was white/anglo.

Sadly, racism colors every discussion of immigration.