And don't tell me he sold those coins and ring on E-bay

Bidding is still open:

Fint's ring

Awwww ... link doesn't work. Was hoping for a skull and cross bones ...

Let me be clear here:

Shaun: It's not Clintonesque, my statement says what it says. You inferred that I said those weapons were buried there for 3 years when I said no such thing. The article states that some of the weapons looked to be freshly wrapped in plastic, that implies recent burial. What about all the other weapons in not-so-fresh plastic? When were they buried? 6 months? A year? Two? I don't know and neither do you. Bottom line is our troops still didn't find them until they got a tip.

Rodeo: I am not saying that I think WMD are buried in Iraq. Just saying your crusade against Joe like he is a raving lunatic for suggesting there might be things buried in Iraq that we haven't found is very naiive and shows you have no clue of what things are really like in the sandbox.

Our man in the field Ryan Lenz of The Associated Press, prior earth shattering jounalism dealt with this:

Stove Top Stuffing Creator Dies
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/23/business/main1073442.shtml

I'm just looking for this guys credentials - follow the money.

Paying his dues.............................................I guess.

Wet shorts, white flag
http://outdoors.mainetoday.com/news/040926100mile.shtml
By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press
He does have a colorful writting style, grows on you.

Embedded With the 101st Airborne
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_blog_embed_iq99

LOL!

Keep digging. I'm sure you will find numerous stories by Mr. Lenz on what's now known as JoeA's Hideaway :)

Our famed reporter of Stove Top Stuffing and Hiking may not know his weapons systems or be an expert on Missiles, rockets, mortars and mines . We should show some caution, not trying to discredit the guy.

My perspective on this is he/she got the crap assignment in an unpopular war and is making the best of it. Risking life and limb so I can sit in my office sipping coffee and chat with you guys in the O.T. section of Pelican Parts about the events over there.

This reporters story is getting picked up everywhere as it is an AP article. That does not mean any main stream story is valid or accurate - just that it gets repeated alot.

The jury is still out on this one, waiting for more information.:cool:

Shaun, shaun... do we conservatives have to do everything for you?

Go to Ebay, type in item 5068660861 and you will find the $25 dollar fake diamond ring that G9 feels is so important.

JoeA

While this is good news, a couple of thousand pieces of ordinance does not seem to be that much compared to some of the depots they found immediately after the war. Nor does it seem to be out of the ordinary for the caches that routinely turn up in Afghanistan.

The real news in this story is the locals co-operating with our boys.

Yes, your last line is the true good news.

Saddam's inability to produce the makings of the Bush Administration's threatened "mushroom cloud" or "deadly chemical attack" will forever be their albatross.

Moronic Monday morning quarterbacking aside, nothing was holding back Saddam from defending his own life with WMDs.

It doesn't take much thought to realize that the same excuses put up for Saddam not using WMDs to defend his capital would be even stronger excuses for not using them in any other context against the US, ergo no threat.

The argument that he 'had them but chose not to use them' is ludicrous and argues against all of the reasons given for the invasion. Not to mention that the Bush administration has repudiated the WMD claims (as well as the al Quaeda link claims). Some neocons hereabouts remind me of that lonely Japanese soldier found 20 years after WWII.

How about fint's argument, though. No one has addressed that one:

"He had 'em, but he couldn't find 'em"

You know. Cause they're really, really small

Dude, where you been? Joe has already taken me to task for this!

If you are going to make analogies, you have to get the time frame correct!

You had the right idea, but the wrong number of years. Disqualified.

Rodeo,

They are down there, in the ground, right next to where your head is!

Please show me the error of my post. Doubt that you can. 1945 to 2003 is "about 60 years."

Dude, the new neocon playbook is to accuse everyone else of what they are doing!

Joe, Joe, Joe. There were some Japnese soldiers that came out after 3 months, some after 3 years, and yes one guy that held out 60 years.

But, um ... you see Joe, the number of years is not really relevant to the point that was being made.

Except if you are trying to tell us that we have to search the Iraqi sand for 60 years before you will admit what even the president finally has :)

29 years, actually.

http://history1900s.about.com/library/weekly/aa120700a.htm

What a sad, touching story. And more than a few parallels to the heads in the sand crowd here.

Leaflet after leaflet was dropped. Newspapers were left. Photographs and letters from relatives were dropped. Friends and relatives spoke out over loudspeakers. There was always something suspicious, so they never believed that the war had really ended.

I thought someone had looked in my pants!

No, actually Joeska's "60 years" is correct:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Hidden-soliders-emerge-after-60-years/2005/05/27/1117129897877.html?oneclick=true

Of course, there may be other hold outs, but these two guys were well into their 80's...so if there are other hold outs, they may not be around much longer.

One thing, I am getting on a jet and heading West in a few hours. Am really glad that you guys can use this time to search the internet and find where 29 years is not the longest Jap soldier who held out. Tech, this is a hint that your post is not accurate other than to show that one guy was found after 29 years. Another one came out 2 years ago after almost 60 years in the jungle.

Speaking of holding out, will it take 60 years for Rodeo and his gang to come to their senses and pull their heads out of the sand? One never knows but we can all hope that after the next terrorist attack or when we continue to find weapons hidden like this one that eventually they will see the light. The problem here is that America has been at war for the last 20 years and you guys, like the Jap soldier above, were suspicious and would not realize the truth. Hope it happens before its too late.

Joe A

I stand corrected.

Does this mean Joe plans to hold on to his groundless WMD fears for another 58 years?

Wow. These guys just gave up, this past May! How sad and honorable at the same time.

Did you see this passage, though? Eerily similar to some content here:

In the years immediately after the war, signs posted in many areas warned travellers that the PP OT posters were still present. They had dug in, ignoring pamphlet drops and even the president’s speech telling them that the war had ended and no WMDs had been found.

Two years ago, Dick Cheney authorised a mission to Pelican cyber land to try to find what the hell these people were thinking, but even he came back empty handed. He did pick up some new torture techniques, though.

America's Foreign Minister yesterday said embassy officials from Baghdad had gone to the OT Board to meet the latest group, and that it was almost certain they were followers of a cult figure known as Mullhollandose.

Nah, will not take anywhere near that long.

Groundless is the platform that you and your Democratic friends are standing on, more like quicksand, but not to worry, before you guys drown we will throw you a lifejacket.

JoeA

SS reform
drilling in ANWAR
constitutional amendment banning gay marrieage
torture language
Patriot Act extension
Illegal wiretapping
Katrina failure
Padilla transfer rejection

You may want to hold on to that lifejacket Joe.

Shaun,

I am have a raft to save myself, friends and family, but since we are already on firm, stable ground, its not needed.

Enjoy...

Joe A

Joe, here's a thought, how about staying in context. try it some time.

What are you guys, back to "Gilligan's Island" again?


And Joe, watch that grammar, or I am have to chastise you again!

Lordy.

Paranoia runs deep.
Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid.
Step out of line, the Man comes, and takes you away.
You better stop...

So we have to sift through every grain of sand in Iraq before the "true believers" can sleep calmly?

So torturing thousands of Iraqis got us no answers?

To think that there are *threatening* WMDs still lurking in Iraq is paranoid fantasy. There may be some small-yeild munitions, but nothing that posed an "immediate threat to US security" as promised in early '03.

Sorry, 20-year-old munitions we and the Europeans gave Saddam to use against Iran just don't count.

Where are the WMDs Saddam was "preparing" to "use against us?"

Maybe more important, where are the factories Saddam was using to make these new WMDs?

I'll grant there may be some munitions stashed in the sand, but WMD factories? Please.

Tech, it's not just the factories we didn't find, it's the entire infrastructure, physical, financial and human, that is missing. That's why I laugh at the "buried in the sand" wing nuts. I can’t help myself. They are so desperately wed to their views that they completely overlook that a WMD program on a scale threatening to the United States can't be buried in the sand. There would be too much to bury, and I’m not talking about hardware.

There are factories, there are tens of thousands of personnel, there are hundreds of millions of dollars in payroll, requisitions, construction, all involved in designing and building and housing WMDs. There are vendors and suppliers. We found none of that. Not a factory, not a single individual, not a financial trail. Not one byte on one Iraqi government computer. All that taken together is good enough to know they don't exist.

The crazies that want to go searching the desert for hardware have missed the point entirely.

Think of it this way. If you really wanted to, I'm sure that you could hide the last 5 years' output of Boeing Company. Find a big hole and bury the stuff. Or a series of holes.

But could you hide the fact that Boeing ever existed?

It is entirely irrevelant what they find in Iraq anymore...If the US military finds more weapons caches fine, it stops them from being used...thats all...

What is important is to make sure that WMDs do not get in the hands of Al Qadea and its offshoots...

What WMDs?

Soviet WMDS

Update on Japanese soldiers

http://www.sikhspectrum.com/082005/hoax.htm

I agree, they are probably the biggest threat.

What are we doing to protect Americans from Soviet WMDs?

NSA Wiretapping

if we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here, I'm enlisting. Russian women... Love'm.

Vivid tower of speculation here. Who knows, next thing we hear they have dug up Elvis next to the gun who killed Olof Palme.

"Paranoia Runs Deep". You chaps have been conditioned for it since way back. Glad I live down the arse end of the world.

http://iron.lcc.gatech.edu/~gtg259q/Coldwar.html


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