Fighting speeding ticket tomorrow. - Page 14

Mulhollanddose · 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Nonsense. If it was about revenue then we would have ten times the number of CHP on the road.

You were speeding here also, but as that is not too much above the limit you must have attracted his attention some other way.

No, I was on my motorcycle attempting to merge to the left to enter the 118 freeway...I was trying not to get run over.

I beat that ticket...The cop threw every charge he could imagine at me, and that was after me being a nice guy. I vowed to quit being so nice in the future.

I asked the officer, the one that motivated this thread, in the proceedings if I was displaying any erratic behavior or dangerous maneuvering...He said, although his memory was suspect, I did not.

stevepaa · 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by vangndy
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Essentially your argument can be broken down to:
If (p and q) then r
If (r) then (s)

That is where your argument really breaks down.

Uh. no. It still is childish even if it is his right to do it.

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Even if it is a waste of money, who is wasting the money, him, or the prosecutor?

By his action he is wasting our collective money.

cool_chick · 02-02-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by vangndy

I am glad you see my point, but you are still assuming that excercising one's rights even when they know they are guilty amounts to "not much integrity." I fail to see the correlation. I stand by my statement that the Bill of Rights is intended for both the guilty and the innocent.

Forgive my strong logic background but i rather enjoyed those classes in school.

I never once claimed that he shouldn't be allowed to go to court. Why are you putting a position onto me that I don't hold?

I just think it's pretty stupid on his part...he broke the law, he admits it..... To me, it's shirking personal responsibility, as I have previously stated.

stevepaa · 02-02-2006, 04:01 PM

But were you speeding then also?

Mulhollanddose · 02-02-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
By his action he is wasting our collective money.

Only in the liberal mind does money raped from the taxpayer become "collective money."...Collectivist money perhaps.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Mul, I always make it a point to ask the cop in front of the judge if he/she would agree that I was polite, calm and cooperative during the stop. This can really help.

snowman · 02-02-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Uh. no. It still is childish even if it is his right to do it.

By his action he is wasting our collective money.

Thats a good and valid reason to fight all tickets, all the time. Again your desire to spend money dosen't obligate me to do anything.

stevepaa · 04:10 PM

Yep, you're right. It is all about showing them commies that you won't stand for them taking your money from you in the form of taxation.

There goes the money for the new library down the hole for the traffic court.

Sorry, snowman, I forgot you want everyone to pay for the library only if they use it. And if I provide it out of my largess, you will use it without a thought to help.

Glad you can sleep at night.

Moses · 02-02-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick

Then deal with the consequences like a man....

Cry and beg for mercy?

Funny, I have been stopped three times in the last year for speeding. No tickets. When I get a speeding ticket (I'm certain I will), I'll pay it. Not because I feel it's my duty to take my lawful punishment, but because court is a costly hassle for me.

I got a ticket in Santa Barbara last year. Requested a trial by mail. I began my plea; " The ticketing officer was polite and respectful at all times..." I guess the judge liked that. Not guilty.

Have I told you how much I love driving in the commuter lane by myself during rush hour? Makes my commute a breeze! When I get caught (which I expect will happen someday) I will pay a $281 fine. I figure I 've already saved about 100 hour of gridlock commute so far, so if I get caught tomorrow, that works out to about $2.81/ hour. Definitely a good value...

Mulhollanddose · 02-02-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
But were you speeding then also?

What happened to liberals fight for free choice?...Why is it they are the biggest proponents of ill conceived law making and poorly planned speed limit laws that serve no other purpose but to impede the flow of traffic and increase government revenues?

It is okay to murder your unborn child, but it is outrageous and flagrant crime to drive your car at or above the flow of traffic.

Mulhollanddose · 02-02-2006, 04:10 PM

Thank a liberal for 91 octane and inflated gasoline prices because of ridiculous formulation requirements and high taxation.

cool_chick · 02-02-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Moses
Cry and beg for mercy?

Funny, I have been stopped three times in the last year for speeding. No tickets. When I get a speeding ticket (I'm certain I will), I'll pay it. Not because I feel it's my duty to take my lawful punishment, but because court is a costly hassle for me.

I got a ticket in Santa Barbara last year. Requested a trial by mail. I began my plea; " The ticketing officer was polite and respectful at all times..." I guess the judge liked that. Not guilty.

Have I told you how much I love driving in the commuter lane by myself during rush hour? Makes my commute a breeze! When I get caught (which I expect will happen someday) I will pay a $281 fine. I figure I 've already saved about 100 hour of gridlock commute so far, so if I get caught tomorrow, that works out to about $2.81/ hour. Definitely a good value...

And that, my friend, is personal responsibility. It's not like you don't know you're breaking the law and are forced to....

You know the law, you can't get a drivers license without demonstrating you know the law (test), there's no excuse to you break it. Don't like the law (like in rodeo's case) then work to get it changed.....

stevepaa · 02-02-2006, 04:12 PM

Moses, be careful about the second or third time. I hear the fine doubles and triples.

stevepaa · 02-02-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What happened to liberals fight for free choice?...Why is it they are the biggest proponents of ill conceived law making and poorly planned speed limit laws that serve no other purpose but to impede the flow of traffic and increase government revenues?

Don't like the speed limit, work to change it. You signed up to abide by them when you got your license. Don't like that idea. Build your own road.

vangndy · 02-02-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Uh. no. It still is childish even if it is his right to do it.

By his action he is wasting our collective money.

I seriously doubt that Mul was responsible for allocating the money to be used to convict him, but I could be wrong. If the courts were not meant to be used, there would have been no need to spend tax payer dollars to use them. If the courts are meant to be used, what is wrong with him using them? The prosecutor made the decision to proceed with the case, was he within his right do so absolutely, as was Mul to do the same. There is a reason we have traffic court, and it is not strictly for the innocent.

I would like you to consider this point very carefully before you respond, If prosecuting the case was a waste of money, why did the prosecutor choose to proceed with the trial?

My answer would be that the prosecutor weighed the pros and cons of proceeding/dropping and deciding that prosecuting was not a waste of resources. Why? I do not know, but my guess would be because it may send a message to him or other speeders, however the point is moot. Clearly the prosecutor decided that the pros of prosecuting outweighed dropping the charges, therefore the prosecution was not a waste of money. If you still believe so, that is an issue you should take up with the D.A.

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Originally posted by cool_chick
I never once claimed that he shouldn't be allowed to go to court. Why are you putting a position onto me that I don't hold?

I just think it's pretty stupid on his part...he broke the law, he admits it..... To me, it's shirking personal responsibility, as I have previously stated.

I never said that you"claimed that he shouldn't be allowed to go to court." Please read my posts carefully before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. If you can find such a quote please point it out to me and I will correct this. It sounds like you are the one putting words in my mouth.

Joeaksa · 02-02-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Don't like the speed limit, work to change it. You signed up to abide by them when you got your license. Don't like that idea. Build your own road.

Please build your own road and then you can drive as slow as you want to there. The rest of the motorists will be VERY happy with your decision!

Joe A

cool_chick · 02-02-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by vangndy
I never said that you"claimed that he shouldn't be allowed to go to court." Please read my posts carefully before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. If you can find such a quote please point it out to me and I will correct this. It sounds like you are the one putting words in my mouth.

I do not mean to offend you, I'm sorry.

Well then, what was the point of your last post directed at me?

stevepaa · 02-02-2006, 04:22 PM

The process was a waste of money. Nul initiated the action to waste the money. The judge doesn't really decide to hear Nul's particular case, Nul did.

stevepaa · 02-02-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Please build your own road and then you can drive as slow as you want to there. The rest of the motorists will be VERY happy with your decision!

Joe A

Ah, but you see Joe. I am very happy to abide by the rules of the road agreement when I got my license. It is for those that don't want to abide to find their own road.

Joeaksa · 02-02-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
Ah, but you see Joe. I am very happy to abide by the rules of the road agreement when I got my license. It is for those that don't want to abide to find their own road.

Yes and someday people will punt you off of the road because you are blocking traffic!