Fighting speeding ticket tomorrow. - Page 4

yellowline · 01-30-2006, 06:30 PM

Unless you're in really thick traffic, I don't see driving normally as a huge hazard. A US two-lane road (not limited access) lets you determine a safe speed, with safe passing zones.

On a packed limited access highway, I could see difficulty and even danger trying to get into a passing lane to go by someone doing 10+ less than everyone around them. The person doing the limit won't be at fault, and likely won't even be involved in the hypothetical accident. Nevertheless, it sucks to even be the indirect cause of an accident.

M.D. Holloway · 01-30-2006, 08:14 PM

Has Mul told us how he did?

Vipergrün · 01-30-2006, 08:22 PM

He got locked up. Currently in the shower, cleaning up from the days events.....and he has dropped the soap......yikes!

Mulhollanddose · 01-30-2006, 10:24 PM

Interesting to see what the liberals on board are really made of...If the shoe was on the other foot, I assure that I wouldn't be wishing them ill will, on the contrary, I would be helping out in any way possible...As I made crystal clear, my objective was not to lie or attack the officer's integrity, my objective was simply to attack the fact finding and hope beyond hope that the officer wouldn't show, there was a technicality, or simply that the court would realize that in light traffic the 90mph that I was cited for wasn't that big of a deal...Again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I was and am prepared to take responsibility for my actions.

I am part German and part American Indian...Driving and riding fast is in my blood and is my birthright..

..The laws are to be obeyed, regardless, of my ability (never been in a crash, highly trained and capable driver), and it is my Christian duty to obey them...As speeding (extremely cautiously I might add/never street racing) is against the law, I play I pay...This is one of the last of my vices, this one is a hard one to let go of...I live to drive and drive well, I drive with the utmost courtesy on the road and care for my fellow travelers...Taking my own life in an accident isn't my fear, it is endangering another's that frightens me...This is why I drive a car with Brembo brakes, razor like steering and acute responsivness.

Once again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I, obviously, would not like the insurance companies to ding me, nor the state that uses the road as a revenue stream, nor do I feel obliged to satisfy the politicians' habit of money-lust and the motivations to spend and squeeze out as much as possible from the taxpayer...I like to speed, I just don't like to pay the piper when the piper is running a racket...Do speed laws save lives?...Yes (debatable)...Are they designed to satisfy the enviros, politicians and to control the stupid?...Yes.

Interesting how concerned the leftists on board are when they continue to elect and re-elect the worst kind of criminals to high office...From Bill Clinton to Al "no controlling legal authority" Gore, to John "I am a traitor" Kerry, to Ted "f@#$ Mary Joe" Kennedy, to Robert "KKK" Byrd...Their schadenfreude only speaks to their lack of character and petty mean-spirited core...I would never wish the same ill-will on them...never.

Mulhollanddose · 01-30-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
I'm on no high horse here, oh Saint Janus. Your arguments only serve to prove my point. The appropriate speed is that which the traffic around you is travelling. Not at Mul's 100 mph, and not at your pokey old man pace. Both are equally dangerous in traffic.

While you may very well be "safe" in that you are not directly involved in the wreck, it happens behind you as some impatient idiot swerves to get out of the line of cars and traffic jam forming behind you. He takes out a a car or two in the process, causes a big wreck, and you putt along on your merry way.

But it's not your fault. You are a safe driver; plodding along in your Mr. Magoo-like fashion, ever oblivious to the carnage piling up behind you. You folks are the real hazard to navigation, and are far too pompous and self-rightous to even realize it. "If only people would slow down like me, they would all be safer drivers" tends to be the thought process. Good for you. The rest of us live and drive in the real world. You make that more dangerous for us, arguably more so than the speeders.

True...Competent fast drivers decrease the opportunity for collisions and lighten the traffic load and traffic making on the streets.

Jared at Pelican Parts · 01-30-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Interesting to see what the liberals on board are really made of...If the shoe was on the other foot, I assure that I wouldn't be wishing them ill will, on the contrary, I would be helping out in any way possible...As I made crystal clear, my objective was not to lie or attack the officer's integrity, my objective was simply to attack the fact finding and hope beyond hope that the officer wouldn't show, there was a technicality, or simply that the court would realize that in light traffic the 90mph that I was cited for wasn't that big of a deal...Again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I was and am prepared to take responsibility for my actions.

I am part German and part American Indian...Driving and riding fast is in my blood and is my birthright....The laws are to be obeyed, regardless, of my ability (never been in a crash, highly trained and capable driver), and it is my Christian duty to obey them...As speeding (extremely cautiously I might add/never street racing) is against the law, I play I pay...This is one of the last of my vices, this one is a hard one to let go of...I live to drive and drive well, I drive with the utmost courtesy on the road and care for my fellow travelers...Taking my own life in an accident isn't my fear, it is endangering another's that frightens me...This is why I drive a car with Brembo brakes, razor like steering and acute responsivness.

Once again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I, obviously, would not like the insurance companies to ding me, nor the state that uses the road as a revenue stream, nor do I feel obliged to satisfy the politicians' habit of money-lust and the motivations to spend and squeeze out as much as possible from the taxpayer...I like to speed, I just don't like to pay the piper when the piper is running a racket...Do speed laws save lives?...Yes (debatable)...Are they designed to satisfy the enviros, politicians and to control the stupid?...Yes.

Interesting how concerned the leftists on board are when they continue to elect and re-elect the worst kind of criminals to high office...From Bill Clinton to Al "no controlling legal authority" Gore, to John "I am a traitor" Kerry, to Ted "f@#$ Mary Joe" Kennedy, to Robert "KKK" Byrd...Their schadenfreude only speaks to their lack of character and petty mean-spirited core...I would never wish the same ill-will on them...never.

How old are you anyway?

WolfeMacleod · 01-31-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by JanusCole
No, he wasn't just speeding. He was doing 100+mph. That is way beyond mere speeding. It is reckless and criminal. I stand by that. People have loved ones on those public roads. A guy who does 100+mph belongs in jail.

Glad I didn't encouter you on my trip to Anaheim last weekend. If 100 bothers you, then by your reasoning, I should have been executed.
Of course, not when there was traffic...

jyl · jyl's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Interesting to see what the liberals on board are really made of...If the shoe was on the other foot, I assure that I wouldn't be wishing them ill will, on the contrary, I would be helping out in any way possible...As I made crystal clear, my objective was not to lie or attack the officer's integrity, my objective was simply to attack the fact finding and hope beyond hope that the officer wouldn't show, there was a technicality, or simply that the court would realize that in light traffic the 90mph that I was cited for wasn't that big of a deal...Again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I was and am prepared to take responsibility for my actions.

I am part German and part American Indian...Driving and riding fast is in my blood and is my birthright....The laws are to be obeyed, regardless, of my ability (never been in a crash, highly trained and capable driver), and it is my Christian duty to obey them...As speeding (extremely cautiously I might add/never street racing) is against the law, I play I pay...This is one of the last of my vices, this one is a hard one to let go of...I live to drive and drive well, I drive with the utmost courtesy on the road and care for my fellow travelers...Taking my own life in an accident isn't my fear, it is endangering another's that frightens me...This is why I drive a car with Brembo brakes, razor like steering and acute responsivness.

Once again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I, obviously, would not like the insurance companies to ding me, nor the state that uses the road as a revenue stream, nor do I feel obliged to satisfy the politicians' habit of money-lust and the motivations to spend and squeeze out as much as possible from the taxpayer...I like to speed, I just don't like to pay the piper when the piper is running a racket...Do speed laws save lives?...Yes (debatable)...Are they designed to satisfy the enviros, politicians and to control the stupid?...Yes.

Interesting how concerned the leftists on board are when they continue to elect and re-elect the worst kind of criminals to high office...From Bill Clinton to Al "no controlling legal authority" Gore, to John "I am a traitor" Kerry, to Ted "f@#$ Mary Joe" Kennedy, to Robert "KKK" Byrd...Their schadenfreude only speaks to their lack of character and petty mean-spirited core...I would never wish the same ill-will on them...never.

So, what happened?

Shaun @ Tru6 · 01-31-2006, 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by JanusCole
I never claimed to be a saint - only that I obey the law. If you feel exempt from the law, which clearly you and Mul do, then there is nothing I can do to convince you of anything. Your argument that driving the speed limit is dangerous is utterly bizarre.

Janus, neocons don't believe in the law. They simply know what's "right" and "good for you" and all that big government crap they cling to these days.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 01-31-2006, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Interesting to see what the liberals on board are really made of...If the shoe was on the other foot, I assure that I wouldn't be wishing them ill will, on the contrary, I would be helping out in any way possible...As I made crystal clear, my objective was not to lie or attack the officer's integrity, my objective was simply to attack the fact finding and hope beyond hope that the officer wouldn't show, there was a technicality, or simply that the court would realize that in light traffic the 90mph that I was cited for wasn't that big of a deal...Again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I was and am prepared to take responsibility for my actions.

I am part German and part American Indian...Driving and riding fast is in my blood and is my birthright....The laws are to be obeyed, regardless, of my ability (never been in a crash, highly trained and capable driver), and it is my Christian duty to obey them...As speeding (extremely cautiously I might add/never street racing) is against the law, I play I pay...This is one of the last of my vices, this one is a hard one to let go of...I live to drive and drive well, I drive with the utmost courtesy on the road and care for my fellow travelers...Taking my own life in an accident isn't my fear, it is endangering another's that frightens me...This is why I drive a car with Brembo brakes, razor like steering and acute responsivness.

Once again, I made my intentions crystal clear...I, obviously, would not like the insurance companies to ding me, nor the state that uses the road as a revenue stream, nor do I feel obliged to satisfy the politicians' habit of money-lust and the motivations to spend and squeeze out as much as possible from the taxpayer...I like to speed, I just don't like to pay the piper when the piper is running a racket...Do speed laws save lives?...Yes (debatable)...Are they designed to satisfy the enviros, politicians and to control the stupid?...Yes.

Interesting how concerned the leftists on board are when they continue to elect and re-elect the worst kind of criminals to high office...From Bill Clinton to Al "no controlling legal authority" Gore, to John "I am a traitor" Kerry, to Ted "f@#$ Mary Joe" Kennedy, to Robert "KKK" Byrd...Their schadenfreude only speaks to their lack of character and petty mean-spirited core...I would never wish the same ill-will on them...never.

Go to church sinner.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 01-31-2006, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
I'm on no high horse here, oh Saint Janus. Your arguments only serve to prove my point. The appropriate speed is that which the traffic around you is travelling. Not at Mul's 100 mph, and not at your pokey old man pace. Both are equally dangerous in traffic.

While you may very well be "safe" in that you are not directly involved in the wreck, it happens behind you as some impatient idiot swerves to get out of the line of cars and traffic jam forming behind you. He takes out a a car or two in the process, causes a big wreck, and you putt along on your merry way.

But it's not your fault. You are a safe driver; plodding along in your Mr. Magoo-like fashion, ever oblivious to the carnage piling up behind you. You folks are the real hazard to navigation, and are far too pompous and self-rightous to even realize it. "If only people would slow down like me, they would all be safer drivers" tends to be the thought process. Good for you. The rest of us live and drive in the real world. You make that more dangerous for us, arguably more so than the speeders.

Jeff, the appropriate speed is the speed limit set by laws, remember those pesky things. You don't get to set your own laws when convenient for you, you don't get to set safety standards when you feel like it. Your opinion of what is safe and not safe is meaningless here.

But while you've got your King hat on, perhaps you can do us all a favor. I'm pro nuclear energy, but there are many who say it's not safe. Can you send these guys a memo explaining it's really AOK? While you are at it, can you send Exxon a note and let them know that you think gas prices are too high. I'm sure they'll lower them on your word.

M.D. Holloway · 01-31-2006, 04:48 AM

So what finally happened?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

"Your argument that driving the speed limit is dangerous is utterly bizarre."

Surely, you jest, Janus. I think LA and SF are the only places in the US with worse traffic than we have here. Driving the speed limit on the Beltway here is most definitely dangerous. It's either impossible because of traffic, or it's very dangerous when there's light traffic because everyone is going at least 75-80. The fools who go 55 very much so endanger others. Speed limits are a complete joke and only exist for pols to shake us down when they need money. They have nothing whatsoever to do with safety and everything to do with getting money. I speed with a very clear conscience. If I ever drove 55, I'd feel guilty and irresponsible.

widgeon13 · 01-31-2006, 05:18 AM

Does this story have a happy ending or what? What the f*** happened? I can't handle this tension, can't we all just get along?

billwagnon · 01-31-2006, 05:29 AM

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I have not been involved in an at-fault accident in my 30 years of driving.

I have a theory that any time someone is in an accident, they are to some degree "at fault", given that neither driver was looking for contact. Speed, though fun, *always* exacerbates a close-call situation.

Jeff Higgins · 01-31-2006, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Lee
"Your argument that driving the speed limit is dangerous is utterly bizarre."

Surely, you jest, Janus. I think LA and SF are the only places in the US with worse traffic than we have here. Driving the speed limit on the Beltway here is most definitely dangerous. It's either impossible because of traffic, or it's very dangerous when there's light traffic because everyone is going at least 75-80. The fools who go 55 very much so endanger others. Speed limits are a complete joke and only exist for pols to shake us down when they need money. They have nothing whatsoever to do with safety and everything to do with getting money. I speed with a very clear conscience. If I ever drove 55, I'd feel guilty and irresponsible.

Bingo. Rick gets it. I suspect Shaun does too (by the way, I hear it's "good to be king" - I would like to try it someday) but he's just yanking my chain. Janus seems hopelessly lost...

So, fess up Mul. "Committed" or "not committed"? (In Washington, they legally cannot say "guilty" or "not guilty" because it is not a criminal proceeding - sorry Janus.)

Mulhollanddose · 01-31-2006, 06:29 AM

Jeff...I am in the People's Republic of California.

I am still building up suspense...I am waiting for all the Democrats to start yelling "crucify!, crucify him!, crucify!"

Mulhollanddose · 01-31-2006, 06:45 AM

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Shaun @ Tru6 · 01-31-2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Jeff...I am in the People's Republic of California.

I am still building up suspense...I am waiting for all the Democrats to start yelling "crucify!, crucify him!, crucify!"

Sorry bud, you are not worthy of the wood on the cross. Just spit it out and we can let this lame thread die.

All I want to know is when you went before judge, did it sound something like "Your honor, I was speeding, but you see, these two guys Jeff and Rick on an internet BBS said..."

kjb · kjb's Garage

Some people have been arguing that speed limits are arbitrary and have nothing to do with safety.

Even if going faster doesn't increase the risk of an accident happening (debatable), the kinetic energy involved in the accident is proportional to the square of the speed at which it happens!

For those of you who don't understand what that means: crashing at 85 mph means your car (or body) has to absorb twice as much energy before coming to rest compared to if you were going 60 mph at impact.

That alone is enough for me to keep my speed sane and a nice distance to the car in front of me.

/ J