Now go open ypur dogs mouth and look at the back - big difference. Co this to your cat (if she will let you) - again, big difference. Molars are designed to smash not tear.

That is about like taking a crap without first pulling down your pants. You missed the first step.

So is a coke buzz or a shot of smack, heck just a drag on a Marlboro or a six pack tastes really good to many folks. Give a man a bag of donuts and watch'm dissappear. Do it everyday and it is a frist class ticket to the coronary unit. I relish red wine and could/would down a bottle or two everynight if I didn't have a genetic propensity for alchoholism. Held in check (or better yet eliminated) would be best.

Just because something tastes good does not mean it is good for you. I made that mistake with my first wife - went with sugar instead of whole grain. Learned my lesson.

I also like butchering my own pork, chicken, and beef. It tasts really good with the blood running down your arms, That warm blood, the smell, the taste. ONce you have tasted fresh beef there is no turning back.

i feel the same way about organized religion...

In my mind, I am a complete vegetarian, even when I eat a steak. I have just outsourced the eating of vegetables (vegetation) to the cow.....

Oh yes, when I talk to vegan people, I ask them if they have every worked closely with cows. I mean, once you have, you realize that they deserve to be eaten. If they were any dumber they'd have roots and required water and fertilizer. I remember trying to bring milk cows into the barn one evening, forgot to open one inward opening gate all the way. Cow one runs into gate. Cows two through 37 run into cow 1. Considerable lowing and mooing goes on. Two irate young cow herders (one was me), yell, scream and otherwise try to get them to make room to open the gate so they can get to the barnk, get milked and get relief from their udders. Well, dad-gummit, wouldn't you know, they arrived at the conclusion that it was time to go out to pasture....and turned around and went back. Had to start the whole process over again. They got all confused, milk got sour, farmer rather ticked off...and it got ugly from there.

Now pigs, I feel a bit of guilt eating them...pigs are pretty smart...

Dennis

People who bash organized religion lack respect, and are basically un-american waccos. I kind think that someone that cannot see why religion is good is lacking in basic intelligence.

Snowball: does the blood actually carry oxygen to your brain on a regular basis?

Some of the stuff in this thread cracks me up. Personally I can't imagine life without some degree of dairy and meat intake. (How can man exist without cheese???) I figure as long as you pay attention to what you put in your body, and in what proportions, that is what counts.

For lunch today I had a salad with a ton of different veggies (OK, not a TON, but it it was nearly 10 bucks at the niche green grocer/amazing salad bar near my office), a bit of free-range no-hormone chicken breast and low-fat ranch dressing. Dinner was (rare treat for me) lamb chops (I'd guess 4-6 oz of actual meat, tops, subtracting bones and fat), brown basmati rice, and organic baby squash. I typically do red meat once every week or two. I generally don't snack, don't eat fast food, and minimal 'prepared' microwave kinda stuff. I love veggies but am not so big on fruit. I think it's the massive sugar spikes.

Not that I'm the paragon of health or run marathons every weekend. Breakfast today, for example, was a double espresso chased by a large drip...but that's a different thread ;) Yeah I drink too, but that's also a different thread :cool:

I'll sum it up from my personal experience. I've known veegans, and they were quite possibly the most scrawny, malnourished people I have ever met. One is my sister-in-law, who several doctors have suggested her veegan diet has contributed to her inability to get pregnant. At 41, I think she's missed the train, quite frankly.

Every veegan I've ever known has been more susceptible to flus, colds or other ailments than people who eat meat, particularly read meat. As for protein substitutions like soy beans - I don't buy it. I can't think of an adequate substitute for real red meat.

Personally, I've tried it both ways - with and w/o red meat - and while I raced bicycles. My performance with red meat was much better than without, or with just chicken and fish.

Oh yeah, and before anyone else mentions apes and their diet, I think it was Jane Goodall who once observed apes eating red meat. She also saw them at one time engaging in cannibalism.

I think if you look at cultures that do not get much meat sourced protien in their diet tend to be smaller in stature. Sure you can get complete protiens from certain vegetables and combinations thereof, but I don't think it's as good as meat protien. A proper source of protien is critical to the repair and developement of muscle and body tissue, and I've heard it said that meat based protiens will help abate aging as the body has a plentiful source to rebuild and make cellular repairs. In the developement of a growing child the issue of adequate protien becomes even more critical. I mean do really want to take the chance of stunting you're childs' growth and muscular developement for the sake of somebody's personal ideals? Granted this person is a doctor but I do believe that most doctors encourage a meat-protien diet.

My earlier reference was not regarding apes, rather Chimps. They are most closely related to us....and they do eat meat. I've never heard the same about apes.

Prions are a fragment of a virus and some attribute CJD to these

Back teeth are for grinding stuff up, fronts(Like your canines) for meat

When my wife was younger, she was a vegetarian, moral reasons. Her health and her Pediatrician encouraged her to give it up

Whiny.
Don't forget whiny...
:)

And damn few alpha-male vegans.