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cstreit 02-22-2006 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
This one is a great e-mail response:

"To: MetroSpy
These T-shirts of prophet Mohammed is not acceptable. Please take it a way. This is like invitation for terorists to attack your country. Islam is very peacful relgion."

That one was my favorite. Second best was "Rene" telling us how all americans were basically stupid uneducated a**holes, all the while making a broad sweeping generalization... As the Guiness commerical sez, "Brilliant!" :rolleyes:

The really interesting bit is, if you actually READ the Koran, the holy war is really a war of words, not of violence, and has been misinterpreted by many extremists. It would be the same thing if Jimmy Swaggert and Tammy Faye were running this country

kach22i 02-22-2006 06:34 AM

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Originally posted by cstreit
........... READ the Koran, the holy war is really a war of words, not of violence
They do that pretty well to, Madrass schools and the like.

Found this alleged school book passage.


http://www.edume.org/reports/1/report.htm
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Joeaksa 02-22-2006 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
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After the below speech, Al Gore might as well stay in Saudi. Coming back home might just get him shot. He sure makes a wonderful addition to the DNC team with Howard Dean...

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Al Gore's Big Political Mistake (UPDATED)
by Joe Gandelman

Just when former Vice President Al Gore seemed to be re-carving a niche for himself as an outspoken, blunt political critic of the Bush administration he forgot a key rule of real estate:

"Location, location, location."

In a political move that is at best baffling, Vice President Al Gore delivered a speech filled with hard-hitting language about U.S. treatment of Arabs in the post-911 world in Saudi Arabia.

Even a potato that was just taken out of the sack would know that the location — Saudi Arabia, a country not exactly role model for the observance of human rights, democracy and a country of origin for many of the 911 hijackers — was a bad one. By choosing to deliver his speech there he was virtually ensuring that a controversy about it being on foreign soil, and from Saudi Arabia, was BOUND to overshadow its actual content.

Why didn't Gore just put a sign on his back that said "KICK ME" and then walk into a Republican rally?

Uh, oh. We better not give him any ideas...

The actual content might have been controversial, but it could have boosted his stock among some voters who applauded the speech where he took on the administration on warrantless wiretaps, then drawing verbal fire from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan and others. Once again his message was a strong, sure-to-be-controversial one:

Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.

The first part would have been disputed by some. The second part, less.

MORE:

Gore said Arabs had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions. The former vice president said the Bush administration was playing into al-Qaida's hands by routinely blocking Saudi visa applications.

"The thoughtless way in which visas are now handled, that is a mistake," Gore said during the Jiddah Economic Forum. "The worst thing we can possibly do is to cut off the channels of friendship and mutual understanding between Saudi Arabia and the United States."

Again, that's not a terrible, wreckless statement. Visa issues are emotional ones in countries. So his point there is not inflammatory.

Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."

Once more, the controversy would have been over whether they were "indiscriminately" rounded up and then some would have questioned the "unforgivable" part while others would have said that he was right. AND:

On Iran, Gore complained of "endemic hyper-corruption" among Tehran's religious and political elite and asked Arabs to take a stand against Iran's nuclear program.

There's more. But Gore the point is: Gore would probably have had more impact if he delivered it on American soil. Even if he had said this to a Saudi group on American soil he would have avoided problems.

And what about being on foreign soil a big deal?

In reality, the foreign soil business is usually used by partisans of each party when they don't like what partisans of ANOTHER party says while on foreign soil.

If a person from their party takes a swing at another party while abroad, it somehow just doesn't seem like such a terrible thing. So in recent years this has become more (predictable)political posturing than anything else.

It's hard to believe such charges would sway a Democrat, Democrat-leaning centrist or a Republican concerned about his party's direction.

But the bottom line is that Gore undermined his own message by the ironic setting from which to deliver it — raising questions about whether the Democrats would be wise to again entrust their nomination to someone with such dubious political judgment.


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