Sounds good to me SmileWavy Can I drive one of the 911s??? :D I promise not to break the tiptronic nor get a ticket...hehehe

Thanks for the good luck wishes about the dept. hunt. It is about a 6 month ordeal to get on a dept. there. And I griped about it taking about a month to get hired on at my current dept....LOL

LOL..if you make it up here, I promise I'll make you addicted to Porsches. :D

LOL.....I am halfway there! I am already addicted to them :D I drove the Carrera last year and was AMAZED. I think I scared the salesman a little though, it sure isn't like driving a police interceptor.....hehehehe


West Burbs? Hmmmm.........I might be in that area :D

And why do these chromosexuals feel the need to blip the ^%%#% throttle as they pass each and every car window? Is that hawgspeak for 'please open your door'?

Some just making noice with the pipes. But sometimes there are legit reasons: when slowing down in traffic you blip the throttle to downshift and get the RPMs to match the tire speed to keep it from locking up (bikes with slipper clutches don't require it so much), on take offs it makes it a little bit smoother and not such a jerky take off from the fuel injected bikes. There are a few more but these were the main legitimate reasons. Other's might just like to show off the aftermarket exhaust systems they have.

One more example Thom. The carbs on my Ninja have been in need of adjustment since I have owned the bike, so when I'm at a light, I have to clear them sometimes to prevent stalling or bogging on when the light turns green. Unfortunately, I've been too busy working on 911's...and haven't had time to go through the bikes like I want to.

Officer's example of blipping on downshift is critical on my Ducati. I desparately need to install a slipper clutch. I fear I won't do it until I high side after a careless downshift that locks the rear tire.

Unfortunately, the riders who feel the urge to blip their throttle annoyingly and for no good reason won't be defending themselves on a BBS. But don't let that generalize the rest of the riders out there.

One of my best friends if a cop in Kewanee IL. Another motorhead like me, he is into old airplanes, old Studebakers and such.

Believe that I was the one who posted the link to the Pelican thread on the SB forum you saw.

I also ride bikes and we do not need idiots like this one on the road. I emailed him directly and wrote back asking why I felt that he was a menace to drivers!! I told him to look again at what he had written about them. He does not have a clue and does not need to be playing LE with his little posermobile.

Souk, you best be careful what you say about BMW's! :) Mine is sitting in the back right now, getting its battery topped up. Been overseas working the last couple of months and cannot wait to go riding today!

JoeA

Right, RPM matching . . . and sometimes people open their doors (in traffic) when they reallize the seatbelt or clothing might have been caught in the door. -- People always have " legit reasons" for everything these days.

Bikers use exhaust blips as a PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE horn. --wow, that was loud . .is my door not shut all the way?:rolleyes:

Which I'm sure is the case; when you're splitting 1/2 mile of cars, I don't think there's a lot of downshifting and stuff going on.

I have a neighbor with a gawdawful loud harley. As he comes around the corner at my house, he wails on it - every single time. His buddies come by at all hours in gaggles (what do you call a group of harleys? a coven? a clutch? a pack?) of 6 or more, all with similar exhausts. Then one day I drove the 911 around the block and turned around in front of his house (he lives in a cul de sac). My car is loud, although not Harley loud. He was out in front of his house doing some yardwork, and gave me that "WTF do you think you're doing stare."

Anyone got a set of track pipes to fit a 3.6L with a B&B? :)

Another good example! Ducati, Italian excellence! I got the okay from the girlfriend that once we get moved to ILL. I get to get an Mv Augusta :cool: It already has just about every aftermarket modification done to it than can be done. And like Souk said, don't let the acts of few ruin it for the rest of us.

Jeez... I live on the road from Phoenix to Cave Creek. Sonny Barger lives up there and all the Hells Angles and wannabe's ride past my house (200 yards off of the main road) every night and day. No mufflers and loud... Why is it that my car and motorcycle has to have a muffler yet these jerks get by with it?

I got a set of pure headers that fit my 3.6 and really wish I knew where these yokels live. About 0500 would love to sit ouside and see what 7000 rpm's sound like. Course if I flew overhead and lit up the afterburners that might suffice ! :)

JoeA

as someone who lane splits and commutes regularly, imho the rev matching is just rationalization. You're just not traveling at high enough speeds or high enough in the rev range to need to rev match.

Unless you guys are lane splitting under different circumstances than me.

I don't have loud pipes or engine, but I will occasionally blip the throttle to get the attention of a driver that is drifting or on the phone. For the car it is an inconvenience. For me it is my life...

yep, quite acceptable. That's like an "excuss me; I 'm right here." ...as opposed to the screaming exhaust blippers, who are like shouting drunks "GET THE **** OUTTA MY WAY" (with bad breath)

I was not speaking for folks blipping their throttle while splitting lanes. But rather giving examples when blipping the throttle is necessary.

Although splitting lanes is not allowed in Illinois, the principal is simple enough that one should know, from any amount of riding, it is generally done with minimal shifting, but rather at a steady speed in in a one or two gears at most.

I don't think anyone would come on here and justify the annoying behavior of the few that folks may see as annoying.

i have a 05 duc 1000ss ds, if i don't blip it throttle and i just let off the gas for a second, going slow, it's like an anchor...you want to go over the bars. the big twin machines don't like off throttle decel. I personally have a big issue with the guys splitting here. first off, it's not leagal, but more importantly, they go up rt 80 splitting at like 50 mph in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic...that is down right stupid...and it isn't just sport bikes! or betterguys on their harleys(ususally) flying down the shoulder at 90mph...i saw a guy hit a tire on the shoulder and have a bad wreck...i did not feel bad and when i came on it, I stiopped to make sure the police knew he flew up the shoulder at 90mph like an ass. I think they give me a bad name as a biker.

I see Glenn.

But lets not forget why this thread exists. I wasn't trying to start a debate on the infringement of rights w/r to noise polution or bad riding behavior.

There should be outrage over the fact that there is a driver out there who has intentions to injure a motorcyclist, with actions he may deem to be a service to others. I absolutely do not think you guys on this board are advocates of criminal activity...particularly when it risks the life of a motorist.

Wow lots of cranky old b!tches around here. It's just noise. Is your baby sleeping or something, don't wanna wake it up?

I have a neighbor with a big American Iron Horse turd (I hate those things...so freaking ugly) and a 120" motor. He starts it at 5am and warms up the motor to get to work.

Sometimes I hear it if I'm awake. More often I hear him fighting with his girlfriend.

My shovel will have open pipes. And I'll wear a helmet while riding it (I always do). And if you pull up next to me and are chatting on a cellphone, I WILL blip my throttle.

One of the guys in that bike forum from the link has in his signature line:

Harleys are the most efficient way to convert gasoline into noise w/o the adverse effect of horsepower..... :D :D

Aaron, I KNOW where you live and can fly the jet overhead if you want loud. What is good for one is good for all.

Lets see "I was having problems with one of the engines and thats why I was at 50 feet overhead this part of town. Hitting the afterburners saved my life. Really hope that those palm trees wilted by the head will grow back. Sorry I woke "Blue" up at 0300!" :)

Having said this, I agree with Souk. This thread was started to put some light on this idiot. If there is one person out there doing this, there very well may be more and we need to keep our eyes open.

You missed my point. I was not justifying the behavior of idiots. I was pointing out that every remark made by those pissed off by loud pipes was bias by their obvious (personal) dislike for loud bikes.

Example: "A buddy of mine has a condo in downtown Seattle. At 2:am, when the bars close, and the frustrated hog riders just have the thumping throttle to satisfiy their crotch, EVERYONE down there gets to hear about their pathetic frustration."

You are really think that everyone that makes noise on a bike is "frustrated" and trying to let people know it? Maybe they think you are just jealous and whining about it.

My point was trying to show that there are two sides and most of the people that seem to be upset are purposeful portraying all riders with loud pipes as inconsiderate, uneducated, morons. Fits their purposes but is not reality.

Happens all the time. Helos, jets, and the occasional pusher/canard with that ridiculously loud prop slap buzz our house frequently. Plus the occasional nearby exploding grain elevator. It doesn't bother me much (though the grain elevator explosion did slosh some water out of my pool).

Seriously, guys, diesel trucks (18 wheelers, dumpers, etc) make a lot more noise. I don't see any uproar about them.

Face it, not everyone is going to share an enthusiasm for someone else's music, cigarette smoke, loud exhaust, shooting, etc. Only a rude, inconsiderate or selfish person is going to force someone else to listen to it or breath it.

And yes, people who are pissed of by rude behavior often have an "obvious bias" against the jerks who indulge in it.

-Chris

tobster1911 and BlueSkyJaunte, it isn't just my preference.

It is illegal, get it? There is a reason it is against the law. It isn't just something I came up with. Excessive noise is pollution. It is against the law. It is anti-social. It is obnoxious and IMO, childish.
You want to be obnoxious and loud? I will be sure to show you the same concideration.
If you are ever broke down or have a question or need help, just remember what comes around goes around.
If you put open pipes on your shovel and blip your throttle you will have it coming.

Is that a threat?

I give up... Trying to reason with people on here is sometimes a lost cause.

I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE BEING OBNOXIOUS! I am stating that sometime what YOU consider obnoxious is in fact still perfectly reasonable. Illegal? Not around here.

If where you are it is illegal, IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO ENFORCE the law. You guys seem to think if someone is doing something you don't like, it justifies your REACTION to them. This was the original topic anyway. The "... you will have it coming."mentality is what I was commenting on.

Let see if I can play this game too.
A prick in a fancy Porsche parks on the sidewalk of an upscale restaurant. Inside, said prick in his loud expensive suit is letting everyone know how successful he is by loudly calling for HIS table and showing off the trophy wife on his arm. "Only a rude, inconsiderate or selfish person is going to force someone else to deal with their conceited, self-absorbed attitude"; therefore, he gets what he deserves when my keys happen to leave multiple scratches on his car when I leave the restaurant. Fair play right?

Exactly, tobster.

Apparently people--even the enlightened membership of PPOT--think that willful destruction of property and personal violence are suitable responses to perceived "rudeness".

why do you hate? What about all those poor obnoxious people? Who's looking out for them? Where is the love?

There is hope. Some people get it.

There are lots of things that I find offensive and obnoxious. I do not get bent out of shape and try to "punish" them for it. I personally can not stand when people get stumbling, passing out drunk. They force everyone else to have to deal with their stupid a$$. Is it my "right" to force my preference (unaltered mental state) on everyone else? I wish.

:D My bad. What do you suggest to reconcile myself? I could start a political movement for the Better Immediate Treatment for Emerging Minority Entities (BITEME) such as Americans Suffering from Selfservingness (ASS)?
:p

I've had motorists try to run me down also. Not a fun feeling.

Damn......barely been here a whole day and already started an arguement .....LOL

Duh!
I stated that I will extend the same courtesy to others that they extend to me. I just naturally assumed that you have heard the phrase "what comes around goes around" as in karma etc.
In other words, if you don't give a rats a$$ about the rights of others, don't expect them to give a rats a$$ about you. That is what the statement "what comes around goes around, .... you will have it coming" means. I figure anyone with half a clue got that.
No, it was not a threat and just insinuating it was a threat was ridiculous.

One of you stated that straight pipes are not illegal where you live. where exactly is that? If it's Arizona, here is an Arizona statute that might interest you:

28-955.01. Motorcycles; noise level equipment; unauthorized equipment
A. A person shall not operate or as an owner permit the operation of a motorcycle in this state that is not equipped with the manufacturer's original muffler or other original noise reduction equipment or with a replacement muffler or replacement noise reduction equipment capable of reducing the noise levels below the maximum operating noise levels established by the department pursuant to section 28-955.02.

B. A person shall not use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device on a motorcycle operated in this state.

Not enough? Here's another arizona state law:
28-955.02. Motorcycle noise level rules

A. The department shall establish by rule maximum operating noise levels for motorcycles operated in this state.

B. The rules shall:

1. Provide for varying maximum operational noise levels for motorcycles, categorized by year of manufacture and speed of operation of the motorcycle.

2. Be based on noise reduction levels achieved by reasonable and prudent operation of a motorcycle and proper maintenance of the noise reduction equipment.

I am personally not aware of any state that does not have noise control laws, and I am certain that the federal government does not allow non-DOT approved exhaust modifications on motor vehicles after a certain model year.
In other words, modifying your motor vehicle in any way is illegal if it is not a factory approved and DOT approved modification, unless you are driving a model T.
The laws in most of Eurpoe are just as strict or more so in many cases.
SAo unless you live in some third world country, straight pipes are illegal, like it or not.
Just because someone is ignorant of the law does not make them exempt from compliance.

Hey Sam, is your BAE turbo on the SC C.A.R.B. or D.O.T. approved? ;)

EDIT: I couldn't resist. Haven't you guys learned by now that the OT forum will always have a very high fence or wall between the two sides of any subject :) The left is always the left and the right is always the right, and the right is always wrong according to the left. :D

And here's two from Colorado:
25-12-106. Noise restrictions
(1) Except for such vehicles as are designed exclusively for racing purposes, no person shall sell or offer for sale a new motor vehicle or any self-propelled vehicle designed for off-highway use and for which registration as a motor vehicle is not required which produces a maximum noise exceeding the following noise limit, at a distance of fifty feet from the center of the lane of travel or fifty feet or more from a vehicle designed for off-highway use, under test procedures established by the department of revenue:

(a) Any motorcycle, including a motor-driven cycle, manufactured on or after July 1, 1971, and before January 1, 1973 - 88 db(A);

(b) Any motorcycle, including a motor-driven cycle, manufactured on or after January 1, 1973 - 86 db(A);

25-12-107. Powers of local authorities.
(1) Counties or municipalities shall adopt resolutions or ordinances prohibiting the operation of motor vehicles within their respective jurisdictions which produce noise in excess of the sound levels in decibels, measured on the "A" scale on a standard sound level meter having characteristics established by the American National Standards Institute, Publication S1.4 - 1971, and measured at a distance of fifty feet from the center of the lane of travel, or fifty feet or more from a vehicle designed for off-highway use and within the speed limits specified in this section:

Speed limit
of more
Speed limit than 35 mph
of 35 mph but less
or less than 55 mph

(a) .... any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle:
(I) Before January 1, 1973 88 db(A) 90 db(A)
(II) On and after January 1, 1973 86 db(A) 90 db(A)
82 db(A) 86 db(A)

(2) The governing board shall adopt resolutions establishing any test procedures deemed necessary.

(3) This section applies to the total noise from a vehicle or combination of vehicles.

The BAE turbo system was approved for sale in California in the late 1970's when it was first sold.
Whether or not that constitutes it being in compliance with CARB, i can't say for sure because CARB didn't exist then but I would expect it to be grandfathered.
Technically it is not DOT legal because any modification whatsover that varies from OEM stock is illegal according to DOT. Putting aftermarket brake pads on a car is illegal according to DOT if you really wanted to take the law to the extreme.

I can tell you that my BAE turbo system is quiet. Most people would not be able to differenciate it from the stock exhaust system just by hearing it. At 45 miles per hour it may even be more quiet than stock.

My Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 was quiet too. I kept the exhaust stock because I didn't have anything to prove and wasn't the "hey everyone look at me" type.
i sold the motorcycle three years ago to pay for the 911. I had two porsches and two waverunners and one motorcycle, that added up to many toys.

Well, DAMN, I just turned over a NEW LEAF now that sammy set me straight!

HALLELUJAH!

:rolleyes:

when i was younger, i bought a honda F2. that bike ran sweet. for reasons that i no longer understand, i paid money i didnt really have for a new exhaust from two brother's racing. talk about loud! it was fun, rattling windows as i blasted past. i had harley guys ducking for cover. now days, my left ear is damaged. i like bikes quiet. but when those harley's blip past me, i just cover. maybe i deserved it :)

people running folks over just isnt right.

agreed.

Note; just because some of us DON'T condone LOUD rudeness, does NOT mean we think it's okay to take'm out for it.