You missed my point. I was not justifying the behavior of idiots. I was pointing out that every remark made by those pissed off by loud pipes was bias by their obvious (personal) dislike for loud bikes.

Example: "A buddy of mine has a condo in downtown Seattle. At 2:am, when the bars close, and the frustrated hog riders just have the thumping throttle to satisfiy their crotch, EVERYONE down there gets to hear about their pathetic frustration."

You are really think that everyone that makes noise on a bike is "frustrated" and trying to let people know it? Maybe they think you are just jealous and whining about it.

My point was trying to show that there are two sides and most of the people that seem to be upset are purposeful portraying all riders with loud pipes as inconsiderate, uneducated, morons. Fits their purposes but is not reality.

Happens all the time. Helos, jets, and the occasional pusher/canard with that ridiculously loud prop slap buzz our house frequently. Plus the occasional nearby exploding grain elevator. It doesn't bother me much (though the grain elevator explosion did slosh some water out of my pool).

Seriously, guys, diesel trucks (18 wheelers, dumpers, etc) make a lot more noise. I don't see any uproar about them.

Face it, not everyone is going to share an enthusiasm for someone else's music, cigarette smoke, loud exhaust, shooting, etc. Only a rude, inconsiderate or selfish person is going to force someone else to listen to it or breath it.

And yes, people who are pissed of by rude behavior often have an "obvious bias" against the jerks who indulge in it.

-Chris

tobster1911 and BlueSkyJaunte, it isn't just my preference.

It is illegal, get it? There is a reason it is against the law. It isn't just something I came up with. Excessive noise is pollution. It is against the law. It is anti-social. It is obnoxious and IMO, childish.
You want to be obnoxious and loud? I will be sure to show you the same concideration.
If you are ever broke down or have a question or need help, just remember what comes around goes around.
If you put open pipes on your shovel and blip your throttle you will have it coming.

Is that a threat?

I give up... Trying to reason with people on here is sometimes a lost cause.

I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE BEING OBNOXIOUS! I am stating that sometime what YOU consider obnoxious is in fact still perfectly reasonable. Illegal? Not around here.

If where you are it is illegal, IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO ENFORCE the law. You guys seem to think if someone is doing something you don't like, it justifies your REACTION to them. This was the original topic anyway. The "... you will have it coming."mentality is what I was commenting on.

Let see if I can play this game too.
A prick in a fancy Porsche parks on the sidewalk of an upscale restaurant. Inside, said prick in his loud expensive suit is letting everyone know how successful he is by loudly calling for HIS table and showing off the trophy wife on his arm. "Only a rude, inconsiderate or selfish person is going to force someone else to deal with their conceited, self-absorbed attitude"; therefore, he gets what he deserves when my keys happen to leave multiple scratches on his car when I leave the restaurant. Fair play right?

Exactly, tobster.

Apparently people--even the enlightened membership of PPOT--think that willful destruction of property and personal violence are suitable responses to perceived "rudeness".

why do you hate? What about all those poor obnoxious people? Who's looking out for them? Where is the love?

There is hope. Some people get it.

There are lots of things that I find offensive and obnoxious. I do not get bent out of shape and try to "punish" them for it. I personally can not stand when people get stumbling, passing out drunk. They force everyone else to have to deal with their stupid a$$. Is it my "right" to force my preference (unaltered mental state) on everyone else? I wish.

:D My bad. What do you suggest to reconcile myself? I could start a political movement for the Better Immediate Treatment for Emerging Minority Entities (BITEME) such as Americans Suffering from Selfservingness (ASS)?
:p

I've had motorists try to run me down also. Not a fun feeling.

Damn......barely been here a whole day and already started an arguement .....LOL

Duh!
I stated that I will extend the same courtesy to others that they extend to me. I just naturally assumed that you have heard the phrase "what comes around goes around" as in karma etc.
In other words, if you don't give a rats a$$ about the rights of others, don't expect them to give a rats a$$ about you. That is what the statement "what comes around goes around, .... you will have it coming" means. I figure anyone with half a clue got that.
No, it was not a threat and just insinuating it was a threat was ridiculous.

One of you stated that straight pipes are not illegal where you live. where exactly is that? If it's Arizona, here is an Arizona statute that might interest you:

28-955.01. Motorcycles; noise level equipment; unauthorized equipment
A. A person shall not operate or as an owner permit the operation of a motorcycle in this state that is not equipped with the manufacturer's original muffler or other original noise reduction equipment or with a replacement muffler or replacement noise reduction equipment capable of reducing the noise levels below the maximum operating noise levels established by the department pursuant to section 28-955.02.

B. A person shall not use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device on a motorcycle operated in this state.

Not enough? Here's another arizona state law:
28-955.02. Motorcycle noise level rules

A. The department shall establish by rule maximum operating noise levels for motorcycles operated in this state.

B. The rules shall:

1. Provide for varying maximum operational noise levels for motorcycles, categorized by year of manufacture and speed of operation of the motorcycle.

2. Be based on noise reduction levels achieved by reasonable and prudent operation of a motorcycle and proper maintenance of the noise reduction equipment.

I am personally not aware of any state that does not have noise control laws, and I am certain that the federal government does not allow non-DOT approved exhaust modifications on motor vehicles after a certain model year.
In other words, modifying your motor vehicle in any way is illegal if it is not a factory approved and DOT approved modification, unless you are driving a model T.
The laws in most of Eurpoe are just as strict or more so in many cases.
SAo unless you live in some third world country, straight pipes are illegal, like it or not.
Just because someone is ignorant of the law does not make them exempt from compliance.

Hey Sam, is your BAE turbo on the SC C.A.R.B. or D.O.T. approved? ;)

EDIT: I couldn't resist. Haven't you guys learned by now that the OT forum will always have a very high fence or wall between the two sides of any subject :) The left is always the left and the right is always the right, and the right is always wrong according to the left. :D

And here's two from Colorado:
25-12-106. Noise restrictions
(1) Except for such vehicles as are designed exclusively for racing purposes, no person shall sell or offer for sale a new motor vehicle or any self-propelled vehicle designed for off-highway use and for which registration as a motor vehicle is not required which produces a maximum noise exceeding the following noise limit, at a distance of fifty feet from the center of the lane of travel or fifty feet or more from a vehicle designed for off-highway use, under test procedures established by the department of revenue:

(a) Any motorcycle, including a motor-driven cycle, manufactured on or after July 1, 1971, and before January 1, 1973 - 88 db(A);

(b) Any motorcycle, including a motor-driven cycle, manufactured on or after January 1, 1973 - 86 db(A);

25-12-107. Powers of local authorities.
(1) Counties or municipalities shall adopt resolutions or ordinances prohibiting the operation of motor vehicles within their respective jurisdictions which produce noise in excess of the sound levels in decibels, measured on the "A" scale on a standard sound level meter having characteristics established by the American National Standards Institute, Publication S1.4 - 1971, and measured at a distance of fifty feet from the center of the lane of travel, or fifty feet or more from a vehicle designed for off-highway use and within the speed limits specified in this section:

Speed limit
of more
Speed limit than 35 mph
of 35 mph but less
or less than 55 mph

(a) .... any motorcycle other than a motor-driven cycle:
(I) Before January 1, 1973 88 db(A) 90 db(A)
(II) On and after January 1, 1973 86 db(A) 90 db(A)
82 db(A) 86 db(A)

(2) The governing board shall adopt resolutions establishing any test procedures deemed necessary.

(3) This section applies to the total noise from a vehicle or combination of vehicles.

The BAE turbo system was approved for sale in California in the late 1970's when it was first sold.
Whether or not that constitutes it being in compliance with CARB, i can't say for sure because CARB didn't exist then but I would expect it to be grandfathered.
Technically it is not DOT legal because any modification whatsover that varies from OEM stock is illegal according to DOT. Putting aftermarket brake pads on a car is illegal according to DOT if you really wanted to take the law to the extreme.

I can tell you that my BAE turbo system is quiet. Most people would not be able to differenciate it from the stock exhaust system just by hearing it. At 45 miles per hour it may even be more quiet than stock.

My Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 was quiet too. I kept the exhaust stock because I didn't have anything to prove and wasn't the "hey everyone look at me" type.
i sold the motorcycle three years ago to pay for the 911. I had two porsches and two waverunners and one motorcycle, that added up to many toys.

Well, DAMN, I just turned over a NEW LEAF now that sammy set me straight!

HALLELUJAH!

:rolleyes:

when i was younger, i bought a honda F2. that bike ran sweet. for reasons that i no longer understand, i paid money i didnt really have for a new exhaust from two brother's racing. talk about loud! it was fun, rattling windows as i blasted past. i had harley guys ducking for cover. now days, my left ear is damaged. i like bikes quiet. but when those harley's blip past me, i just cover. maybe i deserved it :)

people running folks over just isnt right.

agreed.

Note; just because some of us DON'T condone LOUD rudeness, does NOT mean we think it's okay to take'm out for it.