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fastpat 04-13-2006 07:56 PM

U.S. Troops Draw Up Own Exit Strategy
 
U.S. Troops Draw Up Own Exit Strategy

December 21, 2005 | Issue 41*51

BAGHDAD�Citing the Bush Administration's ongoing refusal to provide a timetable for withdrawal, the U.S. troops stationed in Iraq have devised their own exit strategy.

"My marines are the best-trained, best-equipped, most homesick fighting force in the world," said Staff Sgt. Cornelius Woods. "Just give us the order, and we will commandeer every available vehicle to execute a flanking maneuver on the airstrips of Mosul. By this time tomorrow, we will have retaken our positions at our families' dinner tables in full force."

In a striking rebuke of the assertions of the Pentagon and the White House that a swift exit is neither practical nor possible, soldiers of varying rank have outlined a straightforward plan of immediate disengagement, dubbed "Operation Screw This."

"We kicked around several withdrawal scenarios in our barracks, but ultimately settled on the idea of getting out of here as soon as possible," said Maj. Brian Garcia, who is on his third tour of duty in Iraq.

Supporters of the Iraq war say the reconstruction of politically and economically devastated Iraq will take decades, and the gradual process of departure will begin only after a lengthy occupation.

"I'm familiar with the 'years of occupation to facilitate reconstruction' theory," said Army Spc. Megan Beaulieu. "However, virtually every soldier I know-including myself-gives more credence to the successful Dutch and Spanish approach of 'we've done all we can here, let's move out.'"Read the full article

RoninLB 04-13-2006 07:59 PM

I think S Korea had its first full democratic election around 1998 ?

dd74 04-13-2006 08:05 PM

Technically, isn't everyone quoted in that Onion article committing treason? If not, they've still got balls to let the article use their real names -- if those are their real names. :eek:

914GT 04-13-2006 08:24 PM

and here's a more recent news story:

(2006-04-12) — To demonstrate its peaceful intentions in the wake of its latest breakthrough in uranium enrichment, the Islamic Republic of Iran today announced that by 2010 it would have enough nuclear power plants to provide all of its own energy needs. It will then start donating its oil and natural gas to poor and developing nations in Africa and elsewhere.

“Allah, the great and powerful, has granted our prayers for cheap, abundant nuclear energy which we’ll use to power homes, businesses and all vehicles,” said Iranian President Mahmoud Amadinejad. “As we achieve our goal of becoming independent of our own natural resources, our gentle ways will be evident to the whole world.”

Experts noted that a glut of free oil to third world countries would depress prices around the globe — a welcome turn of events for Europeans who now pay the U.S. equivalent of about $6 per gallon for gasoline.

French President Jacques Chirac said Iran’s announcement provides “a successful, if unexpected resolution” to three years of European negotiations aimed at preventing Iran from developing the technology to make nuclear weapons.

Rumsfeld Scoffs at Attack Speculation
Meanwhile, at the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld scoffed at suggestions that U.S. military planners are preparing a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

“That’s just wild speculation,” Mr. Rumsfeld said. “I have no specific plans in my hands at this very moment to hit their nuclear facility at 33.3 degrees North latitude, 51.55 degrees East longitude. We have not decided to penetrate that location with a 4,637 pound GBU-28 laser-guided bunker-buster bomb carrying 630 pounds of high explosive, and capable of cutting through 100 feet of earth or 20 feet of concrete before detonation.”

“So,” Mr. Rumsfeld said, “let’s stop the irresponsible speculation and focus on a peaceful negotiated settlement, shall we?”

HardDrive 04-13-2006 08:56 PM

Ummmmmmm......guys, you DO know that The Onion is a satire news site, RIGHT?

Nevertheless, "Operation Screw This", lol.

fastpat 04-14-2006 06:06 AM

An interesting speculation; what would the Bush'ists do if Germany and France said that they don't want Iran attacked and will act in concert to prevent such an attack?

That'd rain ***** all over their parade.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:50 AM

France and Germany prevent an attack? They have enough trouble and unrest inside their own countries that they can't prevent. At least France does. These countries would all criticize the US in public, but in private they would be happy and relieved that the threat was gone.

By the way, the article I posted is from another satire site - http://www.scrappleface.com/

svandamme 04-14-2006 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by 914GT
France and Germany prevent an attack? They have enough trouble and unrest inside their own countries that they can't prevent. At least France does.[/url]

germany is quite peacefull at the moment, haven't seen any hitlerjugend running loose lately , France has some student uprisings about some new law, that is beeing withdrawn as we speak and student uprisings in france, like strikes are a seasonal thing it's not something out of the ordinary for them...
ehm what trouble are you talking about really??

fastpat 04-14-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by svandamme
germany is quite peacefull at the moment, haven't seen any hitlerjugend running loose lately , France has some student uprisings about some new law, that is beeing withdrawn as we speak and student uprisings in france, like strikes are a seasonal thing it's not something out of the ordinary for them...
ehm what trouble are you talking about really??

He hasn't a clue about europe.

If France and Germany want Iran to remain free from US government attacks, then they could stop any such attacks. If Russia were to join in such a move, the US could not attack Iran at all.

RoninLB 04-14-2006 02:49 PM

Israel will take care of Iran if necessary.

I can't figure out if advocacy screwballs are stupid or just searching for something to believe in ?

svandamme 04-14-2006 02:51 PM

well, i'm quite sure that most of Europe , damn sure would condemn solo military action against Iran by the US...

if some vigilante from a neighbouring town came causing amuck in another, closer neighbouring town , you'de not be cheering on either...

it's easy for the US to pick fights... it's basically surrounded by oceans...

but we don't have that luxury here... if the **** hits the fan in Iran , because of hte US.... then the whole middle east blows up , starting with Israel and working it's way back via Turkey... not a problem in the Pentagon , it's far away from the action , but we Europeans get the flak for what Bush and his crooneys thought up on a religious high...

EdT82SC 04-14-2006 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
I think S Korea had its first full democratic election around 1998 ?
Ron, where have you been? Try 1948. Only three years after we took it over from the Japanese. See Wikipedia for the history of South Korea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Korea

RoninLB 04-14-2006 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
I think S Korea had its first full democratic election around 1998 ?
Quote:

Originally posted by EdT82SC
Ron, where have you been? Try 1948. Only three years after we took it over from the Japanese. See Wikipedia for the history of South Korea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Korea



good link and info.. thx

I think this explains my remark better than me.

From your site
"The country's subsequent history is marked by alternating periods of democratic and autocratic rule. Civilian governments are conventionally numbered from the First Republic of Syngman Rhee to the contemporary Sixth Republic. The First Republic, arguably democratic at its inception, became increasingly autocratic until its collapse in 1960. The Second Republic was strongly democratic, but was overthrown in less than a year and replaced by an autocratic military regime. The Third, Fourth, and Fifth Republics were nominally democratic, but are widely regarded as the continuation of military rule. With the Sixth Republic, the country has returned to an increasingly stable democracy."

1967 R50/2 04-14-2006 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by svandamme
well, i'm quite sure that most of Europe , damn sure would condemn solo military action against Iran by the US...

it's easy for the US to pick fights... it's basically surrounded by oceans...

but we don't have that luxury here... if the **** hits the fan in Iran , because of hte US.... then the whole middle east blows up , starting with Israel and working it's way back via Turkey... not a problem in the Pentagon , it's far away from the action , but we Europeans get the flak for what Bush and his crooneys thought up on a religious high...

Not that I would endorse action against Iran right now, but this doesn't follow logically.

1. If the US takes SOLO action against Iran, how does Europe get flack for sitting on the sidelines?

You may point out the Madrid and London bombings as past examples on "flack", but Spain was not on the sidelines, nor is Britain currently.

2. If, as you say, the EU were to condemn US solo action, it would stand to reason that the EU should get a pat on the head from Iran rather than "flack".

3. As to Bush and his religious croneys, while admitedly he is religious, I really don't see what that has to do with Iran violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which they have signed.

4. Furthermore, the Islamic Fundamentalist gov't tends to be the religious fanatics that I am most concerned about. It's not a democracy in any real sense. If Bush were to use nuclear weapons at this current juncture, he would probably be impeached immediately along with all his cronies. He is accountable, as are all democratically elected leaders, to their constituents.

In Iran, the leadership is NOT accountable in any similar way...accept as they continually remind us, to God. They're leaders pledge to wipe America and Israel off the map seems to be at odds with their statements professing a peaceful nuclear power program.

5. How can the middle east blow up anymore than it already has?

6. If it should manage to blow up some more, the chief victims of such a blow up are likely to be other Arab states or Israel. Again, I don't see how Europe figures into it.

7. Finally, as 911, embassy bombings in Africa, The Cole, and numerous hijackings over the last 40 years have proven, being surrounded by oceans is not an obstacle to "flack".

That is all.

fastpat 04-14-2006 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by EdT82SC
Ron, where have you been? Try 1948. Only three years after we took it over from the Japanese. See Wikipedia for the history of South Korea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Korea

No, there was no second party in Korea, and people were killed attempting to start another one. The first two party election was in fact in the late '90's.

Taiwan was similarly run, but with less pretense. Taiwan was a dictatorship by the late Warlord, Kai-shek.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by svandamme
germany is quite peacefull at the moment, haven't seen any hitlerjugend running loose lately , France has some student uprisings about some new law, that is beeing withdrawn as we speak and student uprisings in france, like strikes are a seasonal thing it's not something out of the ordinary for them...
ehm what trouble are you talking about really??

Well, since I don't really have a clue then everything in Europe must be quite peaceful - as long as everyone abides by Islamic law anyway.

This recent story from Norway must be about the Easter bunny. And this one from Sweden tells another peaceful story.
The brilliant European expert Fastpat will be happy to translate these stories and give us the details. And when he's done I have plenty more for him.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
2. If, as you say, the EU were to condemn US solo action, it would stand to reason that the EU should get a pat on the head from Iran rather than "flack".

It sure did work well for France. After all, if they hadn't objected to the Iraq war then who knows, maybe twice as many cars would have been burned last year.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
5. How can the middle east blow up anymore than it already has?
Oh, let's see.... maybe a few nuclear bombs tossed into Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE should liven things up a bit.

fastpat 04-14-2006 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by 914GT
Oh, let's see.... maybe a few nuclear bombs tossed into Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE should liven things up a bit.
Oh man, has Dick Cheney decided to nuke people? This is bad, very bad.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by svandamme
germany is quite peacefull at the moment,
Guess these honor killings aren't anything to get worked up over either. No life imprisonment for the killers though - now that might trigger some violent protests and we can't have any of that. Gotta keep the peace you know.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Oh man, has Dick Cheney decided to nuke people? This is bad, very bad.
No, no - it's your buddy from Iran, remember? The one that wants to wipe Israel off the map.

914GT 04-14-2006 06:30 PM

I could count on one of Fastpat's favorites - the United Nations - to really put those Iranians in their place. What a great idea! Put them on a disarmament commission!



Iran elected deputy for Asian nations of UN Commission on Disarmament
New York, April 11, IRNA

UN-Disarmament-Iran
United Nations Commission on Disarmament on Tuesday elected Iran as deputy for Asian nations.

The UN Commission opened its annual meeting on Monday which will work until April 28.

The UN Commission on Disarmament which is subsidiary organ of the General Assembly will review disarmament and international security.

The Commission could not reach unanimity in the past two year owing to US objection to put disarmament on the agenda of the specialized commission and adopt an action plan for enforcing disarmament at international level.

Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) member states have pushed for the agenda of disarmament and Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in the current annual meeting.

NAM member states issued a statement on the first day of the annual meeting calling on nuclear states to respect their commitments of demolishing their nuclear arms.

They also called on Israel to sign up to NPT and give access to all its nuclear sites for monitoring by UN nuclear agency.

svandamme 04-14-2006 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
your numbers
1.
if we don't condemn it , we will be considered silent partners


2. see 1 , it's either condeming , or getting flack

3.
Pakistan, India even refused to sign it , so did Israel
but nobody gave a rats ass when it became clear they were getting nukes ready

5. oh yes it can

6. fallout? more terrorisme?

7. what you send in , military , is different from having civies die... or hometowns beeing blown up..

surely you remember the difference in reaction between hte Cole and the Twin Towers??



Quote:

Originally posted by 914GT
Well, since I don't really have a clue then everything in Europe must be quite peaceful - as long as everyone abides by Islamic law anyway.

This recent story from Norway must be about the Easter bunny. And this one from Sweden tells another peaceful story.
The brilliant European expert Fastpat will be happy to translate these stories and give us the details. And when he's done I have plenty more for him.

that's all over now
besides, you quoted germany and france, not norway and sweden


Quote:

Originally posted by 914GT
It sure did work well for France. After all, if they hadn't objected to the Iraq war then who knows, maybe twice as many cars would have been burned last year.
cars get burned in the banlieus every year. and have been getting burned for the last 10 years... it just never makes the news... this time , it did make the news, because they burned the quote for the whole year in a few weeks


Quote:

Originally posted by 914GT
Guess these honor killings aren't anything to get worked up over either. No life imprisonment for the killers though - now that might trigger some violent protests and we can't have any of that. Gotta keep the peace you know.

that's not really riotting now is it? i'm sure there have been isolated "honor" incidents in the us as well, may or may not have made the news. Then thereis hte KKK , the militias, the gang wars in the US... there's still more murders in the US then anywhere in Europe... is that called civil unrest as well??

914GT 04-15-2006 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by svandamme


that's all over now
besides, you quoted germany and france, not norway and sweden

Yes, that was long ago in the past a few weeks or so. All over, please move along now. Thought I'd just start in Scandinavia and work south, since I mentioned Europe.

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cars get burned in the banlieus every year. and have been getting burned for the last 10 years... it just never makes the news... this time , it did make the news, because they burned the quote for the whole year in a few weeks

True, the car burnings have been such a common occurrence that it only makes the news when they burn maybe more than 100 a night.

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that's not really riotting now is it? i'm sure there have been isolated "honor" incidents in the us as well, may or may not have made the news. Then thereis hte KKK , the militias, the gang wars in the US... there's still more murders in the US then anywhere in Europe... is that called civil unrest as well??

But that sort of thing is normal for the US. Europe is more refined and civilized, so is not supposed to have these problems - right? I agree, honor killings are not rioting. The rioting will begin when the government enforces strict punishment for the murderers, which they have not and probably won't.

The US definitely has a lot of problems, especially related to illegal immigrants breaking the law, drug smuggling, and gangs. One fortunate thing is our 'immigrants' predominantly belong to a religion that is common with that of the majority of our citizens. If they were coming over here with their Korans then we'd be facing the same problems Europe has today.

Best wishes to you all with getting control of the takeover. I am very glad we have the oceans between us, as it will hopefully be many years before Iran has ICBM capability.

ianc 04-15-2006 09:00 PM

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If France and Germany want Iran to remain free from US government attacks, then they could stop any such attacks.
And just precisely how would they do that Pat? The strategy seems to have worked so well with Iraq, I'm just wondering if there are any new refinements to their techniques that you're privy to that us ordinary people would like to know about?

ianc

fastpat 04-16-2006 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by ianc
And just precisely how would they do that Pat? The strategy seems to have worked so well with Iraq, I'm just wondering if there are any new refinements to their techniques that you're privy to that us ordinary people would like to know about?

ianc

By sending troops to Iran to assist their self defense, stationing French ships and subs in the Persian Gulf, and warning the US government not to attack.

It would work beautifully.

The French and the German's have first class weaponry.

Eric 951 04-17-2006 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
By sending troops to Iran to assist their self defense, stationing French ships and subs in the Persian Gulf, and warning the US government not to attack.

It would work beautifully.

The French and the German's have first class weaponry.

Wow, you have the answers to EVERYTHING.

And if you don't, they are just a cut-and-paste away!:)

ianc 04-17-2006 08:09 AM

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By sending troops to Iran to assist their self defense, stationing French ships and subs in the Persian Gulf, and warning the US government not to attack.
Haha! Yeah, that would work great Pat, because the French and Germans are really happy with the Iranians right now, and think they should be doing nothing else but uranium enrichment!

Your insight amazes me!

ianc


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