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So let me get this straight, it's okay for you to use outdated stereotypes to make your point?

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Is 1998 too far out of date?

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Must've been Clinton's fault. Or Sandy Berger.

Noah, don't go there man. :rolleyes:

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So one incident 8 years ago means your stereotype is correct?

I'm still finding it hard to find racial motivation in this specific story of killing someone for his ipod. If someone has a link showing racial motivation for this incident, please post it.

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I'm sorry, I missed the expiration date; I was reading the bit about the missing Lindberg baby on the other side of the carton.

Probably wise not to mention the fact that they were Muslims. As Joe mentioned, after the Teo incident, the general islamophobia in that country seems to have risen 1000%. Soon to be on the same level as mine. Don´t get me started..

Just wait for the Haj and drop the big one on Mecca.

I still think there's some detail(s) we're missing.

But then again, to you NeoCon Groupies(TM), demonstrations are for seditious hippies and n'er-do-wells who have nothing better to do than disrupt the government...

Here's a timeline of violence in Belgium in 2005 and into January 2006. Only a 'neocon' would make radical statements suggesting that Muslim immigrant extremists are behind this violence. Clearly, these urban 'disturbances' are because of poor 'youths' longing for iPods.

So the hand-wringing ninnies are refusing to admit that this violence is clearly religiously and racially based. As long as they deny the very nature of the problem, as they have with similar problems here in the U.S., they will not allow civilized society to move towards a solution.

If the members of a certain race or religion are apparently pre-disposed to creating problems in the societies in which they live, then they must be dealt with. There is no racism or religious bigotry involved on the part of those that recognize this.

In contrast, these attackers are demonstrating the very depths to which human bigotry and racism can sink. And they are very much counting on the fact that their opponents in civilized society have ground ruled out dealing with them on that level. It is considered unenlightened in haughty liberal circles to even hint that these attacks may be religiously or racially motivated. The perpetrators very ruthlessly use that against us.

Until we collectively have the stomach to clearly assess the root cause of this growing problem, it will certainly continue to grow. Maybe it's finally time to put our foot down. At least 80,000 people feel very strongly that it is time.

The Scandinavian blogger, Fjordman, clearly describes the situation in this article posted today:

A New Oslo Peace Process?

They have plenty of 'hang-wringing ninnies' over there, and they're allowing their countries to go down the toilet.

What worries me is how much longer before we hear our own "flush"?

Check out Bruce Bawer's new book, "While Europe Slept." Brawer, a liberal, gay writer (for NY Times, New Republic) left America in the mid 90s to settle in "progressive, tolerant and enlightened" Western Europe. He even learned the languages. He expected to be freed from the sense of muted moral oppression he felt in America. What he discovered was the unreported story of our time: the penetration of the Islamic sickness into western European culture, perversely enabled by an acquiescent majority paralyzed by its conceits of "tolerance." Ipod theft in broad daylight is only one, though signature, example of the brazen contempt of young Islamics for these "tolerant" Europeans. Brawer offers account after account of the successful social intimidations of Islam and the creeping gains of Shari'a law in Western Europe. He was shocked not only by the number and brutality of crimes, including gang rapes of Europeans, but also by the intra-culture sociopathology of Muslims, including the rape and even murder of Mulsim girls who "sullied" themselves by associating with non-Muslims (a 12-year-old Norwegian Muslim immigrant girl was shot 50 times by her father and uncles for doing so), but most of all by a kind of passive conspiracy of self-censorship among the elites in the European media and academy. The denial seems as pathological and determined as the problem it wills to deny.

Mourners who erected a small memorial at the site of Theo Van Gogh's murder on the streets of Amsterdam watched as police tore it down. And those who photographed the police had their cameras seized and smashed. Van Gogh's murder was also barely reported in America, likewise the murder of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, who dared to speak up about the problem.

Authorities and politicians seem unable or unwilling to absorb the reality, and what it could mean to their presumptions about "tolerance." In some areas of Europe they have even stopped compiling statistics of Muslim crime -- it is simply too embarrassing, too politically correct to discuss much less contend with.

Van Gogh, incidentally, was knocked off his bicycle, shot, stabbed and had his throat slit. His last words, according to witnesses, was "please, please, surely we can talk about this..." In Van Gogh's choked words, Brawer finds a metaphor for the delusion of the modern European mind in the face of this enemy in its midst -- that no one who sampled the liberalism and munificence of their culture could not be grateful, that no one could possibly behave in such a manner, and could not appreciate the appeal of reason.

Oriana Fallaci, the brave Italian journalist, has done the same"speaking of truth", and been put on trial for her troubles.

Yes, writers are put on trial for their words in Europe, and books are censored, politicians are threatened, and people are frightened. The unthinkable is happening, and the media is not telling us. 914GT is dead on.

Geeze the left . ..oh, sorry . ."moderates" :rolleyes: here, in their zeal to build a strawman, seem to be missing the the larger picture. This topic is not about terrorist, it's about the fact that much of Europe has been dealing with a non-integrated culture within their own. ...A culture of much more brutal interactions.

The Europeans, like other more civilized people, try their best to be accepting, and forgiving. But, sooner or later those values begin to erode.

We put it off . .. we don't like to sink to the simplistic levels of those who challange us on such boorish levels. We think, oh we will lead byy example . . and the problem will fix itself. BUT . .. when the trash begins to stink, it has to be taken out.

Two immediate issues might be at play here, and one more likely than the other:

1) The media is protecting us from...ourselves and our reaction to what could be interpreted as with any "dark on less dark" crime, a hate crime. (less likely - media is sensationalistic after all. They live to rile the masses and thoroughly revel in hate crimes).

2) More likely is, at least in Europe, the media is protecting itself exclusively. Evidentially in Britain, if a journalist is to write anything interpreted as anti-Muslim, they can be arrested. Yes, they're frightened -- of their own words.

Of course, no one should think this happens only in Europe.

Oriana Fallaci Rocks! 60 years of speaking out!

I think it's easy to blame the media for all the problems in the world. And some go to the extreme of seeing conspiracies in the "liberal media conglomerate." If you're not looking at a variety of news sources (liberal, conservative, and something in between), you're really missing out. Ask what's the agenda of your news sources. Even the one's you're in agreement with. Some of the guys here keep spouting the same (or similar leaning)media sources to justify their beliefs and it comes across as mere dogma.

Ok, I give up, I can't restrain you guys any longer - let the genocide begin!