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Jims5543 04-27-2006 02:39 PM

Cannot wait until Monday...
 
The day I decide who I continue to do business with and who I will not.

Any business that cannot function due to lack off ILLEGAL labor will never get my business again.

Tyson chicken lost my business already.

MattKellett 04-27-2006 03:08 PM

Jim - I think you might not be able to eat!! I'm fairly sure that nearly all produce involves some sort of illegal labor in one form or another!

I wish you luck on your commitment.

Matt

dtw 04-27-2006 03:25 PM

Hope you're not a fast food junkie...

bryanthompson 04-27-2006 03:27 PM

Jim, keep us updated with the companies/brands/whatever you end up buying. I won't go all out against any of 'em, since I think it would be damn near impossible, but I will give my support the good companies when I can.

Jims5543 04-27-2006 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtw
Hope you're not a fast food junkie...
Never eat there.

I am looking into the Tuna companies now, I eat a can of Tuna every day for lunch.

Much to my wifes disaproval, I do not eat green food. I hate veggies and do not eat friut normally. I get my vitamins and minerals though a daily suplement.

I do not use a landscaper and on those rare occasions whenI do I use a guy I know employs only taxpayers. No illegals there.

We shop at Publix ( chain in the Southeast) that might change Monday. There is a local fine foods place that is locally owned, a little farther away but worth the drive.

I know its nearly impossible to ban everyone/everything but whatever changes I can make to send a message to these companies I will.

I am sure all our schools will be nice and empty too.

I think it is sad companies like Tyson announce that they are closing Monday. I am e-mailing them to tell them they lost me and anyone else that will listen to me as a customer.

http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/Contact.aspx

turbo6bar 04-27-2006 03:56 PM

Kudos. Ya gotta start somewhere.

I haven't set foot in a Harbor Freight in many years. I'm sure someone can point out that I'm a hypocrit for whatever reason, but I prefer to support quality tools from quality companies.

I've had ample opportunity to hire illegals from the roadside to help fix up rental houses, but I've resisted the lure. I figure why pay some to foock up my house, when I do a darn good job all by myself. :)

In the meantime, the president of the local RE investors club started a company called Latino Labor, bringing cheap labor to landlords and investors. I can't believe that company hasn't been busted by the IRS yet. Maybe it has.

pwd72s 04-27-2006 03:58 PM

Tyson foods lost us as a customer long ago...remember Hillary's
beef futures trading scandal???? The involvement of a Tyson executive?

Jims5543 04-27-2006 04:03 PM

My e-mail to Tyson.

Quote:

I am a small business owner in Florida. I employ 10 people. I was sorely disappointed to find out your company will be closing Monday in support of illegal aliens.

I have chosen too, and will ask everyone I know to not buy your products anymore. We are taxpaying Americans tired of being pushed around by illegal immigrants. We will cease doing business with any company that employs or supports illegal aliens.

I realize this is a tough promise to follow through on. We will be starting with high profile companies like yours and looking for companies that can fill the void with legal employees.
LOL! Their automated response. I like "interest".

Quote:

Tyson Foods, Inc. Contact Information
Thank you for your interest in Tyson Foods, Inc.

Your message has been sent to Gary Mickelson. You should expect an answer to your question within 5 business days.

M.D. Holloway 04-27-2006 08:18 PM

Jim - I have been to many food processing plants - bottling, canning, freeze, produce processing, kill plants, further processing, confectionary, baking just to name a few. I have yet to visit any plant that doesn't have a majority of Hispanics on the line. I will be willing to bet that at least 2% to 10% are illegals.

I hope your business is one that can groe and process food or you will be loosing some weight this summer real quick!

tabs 04-27-2006 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pwd72s
Tyson foods lost us as a customer long ago...remember Hillary's
beef futures trading scandal???? The involvement of a Tyson executive?

Does this mean that U don't shop at Walmart either? Hillary was on the Board and Bill got to use the co plane for free while camp[aigning for prez...

tabs 04-27-2006 08:27 PM

Great now U can start buying Sandersons Chicken...I got a gun collecting buddy that owns a Chicken Farm that is under contract to Sanderson...

I'll have to ask him if he is an illegal alien...he does talk with a funny accent...I just thought it was because he lives in Missippi.

mudman 04-28-2006 05:40 AM

Become a vegetarian and grow yer own. It is cheap and much better for you (home grown foods, that is...)
-Jeremy

Jims5543 04-28-2006 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Jim - I have been to many food processing plants - bottling, canning, freeze, produce processing, kill plants, further processing, confectionary, baking just to name a few. I have yet to visit any plant that doesn't have a majority of Hispanics on the line. I will be willing to bet that at least 2% to 10% are illegals.

I hope your business is one that can groe and process food or you will be loosing some weight this summer real quick!

I watched the news last night for the 1st time in months. I hate the news. Anyway, I saw a statistic that "claims" meat cutters / Packers made $19 an hour in 1980 and now in 2006 make $9 an hour because of the overwhelming availability of cheap illegal labor.

Is this state true? I have no idea.

My business is Land Surveying. I have in the past employed a Mexican. He had his green card and social security number and I reported it to the labor board and withheld and deposited his taxes and SS like a law abiding employer. I have a Puerto Rican employee now who's parents immigrated here LEGALLY when he was a child.

How these big companies can get away with hiring all these illegals is beyond me. I cannot do it. I would be busted in a minute. Unless of course I pay off the books and lie to the IRS about how much money comes into my business. But that is another irritation with me, Patriots who will cheat on their taxes at the drop of a hat.

Will I make a difference? Probably not, if everyone I know would do the same and TRY to aviod companies that are supporting the illegal activity it micht actually have an impact.

This whole "lets take american to its knees" mentality is pissing me off to no end.

I read a letter in Time from an Indian Immigrant who is in the process of getting his green card. He made a good point, if the US lets all these legal have amnesty then the message sent to all other immigrants is it is better to break the law than to try to do things legally. That is a bad message to send.

gaijindabe 04-28-2006 07:08 AM

Doesn't May 1st have a certain ring to it? I wiki'ed it:

"May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations by various socialist, communist, and anarchist groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot usually right as the first day of May begins. In the 20th century, May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union; celebrations in communist countries during the Cold War era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government."

fastpat 04-28-2006 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
Never eat there.

I am looking into the Tuna companies now, I eat a can of Tuna every day for lunch.

Much to my wifes disaproval, I do not eat green food. I hate veggies and do not eat friut normally. I get my vitamins and minerals though a daily suplement.

I do not use a landscaper and on those rare occasions whenI do I use a guy I know employs only taxpayers. No illegals there.

We shop at Publix ( chain in the Southeast) that might change Monday. There is a local fine foods place that is locally owned, a little farther away but worth the drive.

I know its nearly impossible to ban everyone/everything but whatever changes I can make to send a message to these companies I will.

I am sure all our schools will be nice and empty too.

I think it is sad companies like Tyson announce that they are closing Monday. I am e-mailing them to tell them they lost me and anyone else that will listen to me as a customer.

http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/Contact.aspx

In so. Florida, unless you're in a tiny apartment, you can plant dwarf fruit trees including citrus and harvest your daily requirement that way. We had a 10+ foot Key lime tree in CA, and are planting four citrus trees here in South Carolina. We'll worry about cold protection later this year. We've also planted cherries (three varieties), Apples (two varieties), a plum, and have at least three types of peaches/nectarines in the ground most of which won't get taller than 10 feet.

Since we have the space and no restrictions; we'll likely have chickens soon and maybe something on the hoof next year.

Porsche-O-Phile 04-28-2006 08:39 AM

I agree. Let these idiots have their feel-good pep rally. I think (and hope) it will only backfire and prove to the world how much better off we are without them and that society will keep humming along just fine in their absence.

I'm looking forward to a day being able to drive to work on less-congested freeways too without having to deal with junky old pickup trucks with out-of-date registrations, no insurance and piled high (and unsafe) with stolen landscape equipment. Ditto on the tired old minivans with 16 kids in the back.

Should be a good day to commute. Ahhh.

Rikao4 04-28-2006 08:57 AM

Jeff, you must have taken a detour thru SA, you can spot the no ins. or wanted for something folks so easy.Their doing the limit, and when present or working ..signals.
Rika

nostatic 04-28-2006 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
I agree. Let these idiots have their feel-good pep rally. I think (and hope) it will only backfire and prove to the world how much better off we are without them and that society will keep humming along just fine in their absence.
would be an interesting experiment. I don't think it would hum along just fine, but we'll never know...

Howard Agency 04-28-2006 09:01 AM

I forgot, is it OK to eat grapes again?

craigster59 04-28-2006 09:03 AM

At least in So.California, if only for 1 day, English will be the primary language in our classrooms.

coloradoporsche 04-28-2006 09:14 AM

Better not stay in any hotel rooms. You know who cleans them. Own an RV?

2.7RACER 04-28-2006 09:32 AM

Gentlemen,
You want to talk legal. Let's talk legal.
Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and large parts of California were taken from Mexico by force.
Invasion and War.
So now that we are in charge, All Mexicans are illegal?
Kinda of like saying any, Navajo or Hopi or Comanche found off the reservation is illegal.
I suppose when the Federal government said "come to America" in the 1800's that's OK.
We must be full now.
So no more foreigner's, unless it is your family.
Who is the bureaucrat that decides who is legal?
I'm afraid your racism is showing.
Was it illegal to bring slaves from Africa?
How about all the Chinese that built the railroads?
I'm amazed at all the folks that have conveniently forgotten their own heritage.

fastpat 04-28-2006 09:35 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2.7RACER
Gentlemen,
You want to talk legal. Let's talk legal.
Texas,
[/QUOTE}

No, Texas, at least, separated from Mexico the same way the 13 colonies separated from Britain and became sovereign states.

Further, spanish speaking indians from south of what is now the US/Mexican border have no more rights with those states than any white man did, only those living with those lands had the right of decision of self government. What's happening there now is nothing short of a foreign invasion and should be treated as such.

2.7RACER 04-28-2006 09:40 AM

Pat,
So I guess the Alamo and the battles fought later were just some kind of "separation"

craigster59 04-28-2006 09:42 AM

I think I'd have a tough time getting back into Norway after 150 years.

Don Ro 04-28-2006 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2.7RACER
Gentlemen,
You want to talk legal. Let's talk legal.
Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and large parts of California were taken from Mexico by force.
Invasion and War.
So now that we are in charge, All Mexicans are illegal?
Kinda of like saying any, Navajo or Hopi or Comanche found off the reservation is illegal.
I suppose when the Federal government said "come to America" in the 1800's that's OK.
We must be full now.
So no more foreigner's, unless it is your family.
Who is the bureaucrat that decides who is legal?
I'm afraid your racism is showing.
Was it illegal to bring slaves from Africa?
How about all the Chinese that built the railroads?
I'm amazed at all the folks that have conveniently forgotten their own heritage.

"I'm afraid your racism is showing."
.
:D Thanks for the entertainment. :D

Porsche-O-Phile 04-28-2006 10:11 AM

I think people have lost sight of the fact that this is about I-L-L-E-G-A-L aliens. The folks that are here legally as a result of going through the process of getting a visa, getting a green card and getting citizenship I have no issue with. They're Americans just like me and just happen to have been born someplace else. Fine and dandy. They showed respect for our culture and country by having the decency to do what was expected of them and demonstrating through their compliance with our laws, immigration policies, etc. that they really wanted to be here. Good stuff.

I admit freely that our immigration system is a mess but honestly the ability of a LEGAL immigrant to put up with the morass of red tape is only a testimony to how badly they want to do things by-the-book, how much they want to be an American and how respectful they are being of the country they are hoping to have accept them. I have all the respect in the world for these people and welcome them with open arms regardless of their nationality.

The ones that jump fences or swim rivers in the dead of night to come here and steal from us and send our dollars back to a corrupt third-world country are criminals and scum. These individuals are THIEVES and should be treated accordingly.

If LEGAL Latino CITIZENS (having obtained their citizenship by going through the proper channels) want to protest or make an appeal to raise the immigration quotas to help other people in their homelands become citizens in the U.S. too, that's one thing. That's NOT what is going on here. These are ILLEGAL individuals demanding a free handout and a backdoor path to citizenship. They want all the benefits without any of the responsibility or having to put any of the effort into it in order to get it. What does that say about their "hardworking" work ethic?

Those here illegally and those that sympathize with them need to get the hell out of the U.S. and leave it for those that respect it and WANT to be here, not just take advantage of it and use it like a diaper.

turbo6bar 04-28-2006 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2.7RACER
I'm afraid your racism is showing.
Was it illegal to bring slaves from Africa?
How about all the Chinese that built the railroads?
I'm amazed at all the folks that have conveniently forgotten their own heritage.

So basically you're saying it's perfectly fine for Mexicans to come here in floods simply because they share a border with us, but immigrants from other nations must go thru every legal mean to even have a chance to come here.

It is not easy to emigrate to America if you're from a second or third-world nation. Legal immigration is limited. Why are Mexicans special, then?

+1^1000 to PoP's commments.

bryanthompson 04-28-2006 11:38 AM

You emigrate from a country, but immigrate into a country.

doesn't 1^1000 = 1?

The system's broken, we all know it. Nothing is about to get fixed, so don't bother even getting excited about it.

turbo6bar 04-28-2006 11:42 AM

Sorry, I was thinking in reference to other countries.

Rephrased:
It is not easy to emigrate from a second or third-world nation to America.

Would you prefer I do +1 in 1000 followup posts?

dd74 04-28-2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2.7RACER

I'm afraid your racism is showing.

You better rethink the definition of "racism."

Nationalism is one thing - and what we're going through with it in the U.S. is a mild case.

Extreme nationalism would be akin to what we did to Japanese-Americans after 1941.

Racism on the level you're projecting would be genocide.

No one is calling for a mass extermination of Mexican and/or Latin illegal aliens in the U.S.

Yes, it was their land...once...but they fought America for it, and lost. Annexing what we now have was the spoils of that loss.

bryanthompson 04-28-2006 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by turbo6bar
Would you prefer I do +1 in 1000 followup posts?
That would be hilarious... better make sure PPOT isn't running on a windows machine first, though. Not sure IIS could handle it :p

Jims5543 04-28-2006 12:28 PM

Well to call me a racist is just plain stupid.

First, I LOVE the Latin American culture and so look foward to trips to Miami so I can immerse myself in it.

I had dated only Latin girls growing up. My wife, who I thought was latin (her best friend Puerto Rican) turned out to be Portugese and Italian. I would have bet money she was Puerto Rican.

My friends are diverse, from European to Latin American to African American to Native American.

I had a client in my office today who is Mexican. He was on his cell phone talking to a sub-contractor. He said something about being on a job site Monday. My co-worker asked him if he was working Monday. He rolled his eyes and said "Do not get me started".

I guess he is a racist too.

Jims5543 04-28-2006 12:35 PM

Florida belonged to the Spanish who handed it over in a peace treaty. Should all Spaniards who want to come to the US be allowed to walk right in?

POP is spot on thank you for taking the time to explain how a typical American feels about this bad Mexican joke.

I wish I was more proactive about this walk out. I have so many good ideas that would have rattled so many businesses. Its just too late to put it these idea into action.

One idea was a Post in not applied to a closed businesses window stating you will never reutrn there. The manager and owner of that business would crap their pants if the front of their business was plastered with them.

RickM 04-28-2006 01:07 PM

Jim, Good news. Your wife is Latin.

(BTW, well put PoP)

Just for reference....

Latin countries or Latin Europe...

"Andorra, France, Italy, Moldova, Monaco, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain and Vatican City. It also includes some regions from other countries, such as Wallonia in Belgium and the French- and Italian-speaking cantons of Switzerland."

"Latin America:

"Spanish-speaking, Portuguese-speaking, and French-speaking countries (except Canada) of North America, South America, Central America, and the West Indies. The 20 republics are Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela. The term Latin America is also used to include Puerto Rico, the French West Indies, and other islands of the West Indies where a Romance tongue is spoken. Occasionally the term is used to include Belize, Guyana, French Guiana, and Suriname."

"Latin America is an equivalent term to refer to countries in the Americas with a Romance language. Although the language and cultural features of parts of the society (often the upper part) is derived from Roman, Latin American countries have partial Latin culture, due to Amerindian and African influence. The use of the words Latin and latino as used in the United States to speak only about Latin-American things is considered ignorance-derived by some Latin Europeans, and occasionally offensive."

Jims5543 04-28-2006 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RickM
Jim, Good news. Your wife is Latin.
No matter. She is hot looking hot blooded and hot tempered. All the things I love. I have not been married to her for 17 years for nothing. ;)

Jims5543 04-28-2006 03:38 PM

Yup...

http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/.../smileysex.gif


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