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Jim Richards 05-05-2006 11:46 AM

Porter Goss resignation
 
CIA's Porter Goss abruptly resigned today. A liberal friend of mine suggested that there's some underlying reason(s) for this resignation. Read for yourself and see if you think there's merit, or is this another witch hunt against the administration...I'm taking a wait and see attitude while Mul interrogates his neo-con sources. :D

note: the Harpers article "may" be referring to Goss when it talks about someone holding a powerful intelligence post. dunno.

http://www.harpers.org/sb-red-lights-on-capitol-hill.html

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114610728002837324-FnHaEYAFT_b7QFGwPxnAIiEcHEI_20060527.html?mod-tff_main_tff_top

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=32916&dcn=todaysnews

Jim Richards 05-05-2006 11:54 AM

He just sent me one more link to this "story."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008376.php

I'm not going out on a limb on this one. Mul's got his "source" on speed dial and I heard he's been spotted at Home Depot shopping for chain saws. :eek:

Mulhollanddose 05-05-2006 12:00 PM

The Clintons basically downloaded the liberal virus all over the Justice Department, State Department and CIA, corrupting these organizations beyond repair.

Jim Richards 05-05-2006 12:02 PM

Hmmm, your source must be busy at the tattoo parlor.

Mulhollanddose 05-05-2006 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Hmmm, your source must be busy at the tattoo parlor.
From what I understand the NSA leaks compromised the operation to the point he felt useless...that and the Clinton CIA plants were undermining him every step of the way.

fastpat 05-05-2006 03:20 PM

Mul-berry doesn't know who Porter Goss is.

JSDSKI 05-05-2006 03:32 PM

This just sounds like classic corruption for government contracts. Probably started in Rome....

widebody911 05-05-2006 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fastpat
Mul-berry doesn't know who Porter Goss is.
Doesn't matter - it's still Clinton's fault.

1846 potato(e) famine... Clinton's fault

If A plane leaves Denver flying west @ 400MPH... Clinton's fault...

Mulhollanddose 05-05-2006 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fastpat
Mul-berry doesn't know who Porter Goss is.
I don't need to know who he is. I have an ultra sensitive kneejerk reflex. Interestingly it happens to meet your hindquarters rather consistently. This brings me great happiness.

fastpat 05-05-2006 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I don't need to know who he is. I have an ultra sensitive kneejerk reflex. Interestingly it happens to meet your hindquarters rather consistently. This brings me great happiness.
That's your chin you keep hitting.

Jim Richards 05-05-2006 04:54 PM

See, isn't this fun? :)

nostatic 05-05-2006 05:01 PM

if my name was that silly, I'd resign too...

Jim Richards 05-05-2006 05:08 PM

Negroponte is a funny name, too.

So is Foggo.

And there's Plame.

Is a silly name a requirement for intelligence work?

widebody911 05-05-2006 05:17 PM

All these people were absorbed when the Ministry of Silly Walks was disbanded...

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Negroponte is a funny name, too.

So is Foggo.

And there's Plame.

Is a silly name a requirement for intelligence work?


Mulhollanddose 05-05-2006 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
[B]Doesn't matter - it's still Clinton's fault.
Can I get an amen?...your eyes must have seen the Glory of the coming of the Lord!!

Just when I thought you were hopelessly hellbound. I guess that is what I get for jumping to conclusions.

Leland Pate 05-05-2006 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Negroponte is a funny name, too.

So is Foggo.

And there's Plame.

Is a silly name a requirement for intelligence work?
Actually it is not a requirement as much as a suggestion brom the alien invaders that sit in wait for the perfect time to strike as we continue to quable over abortion rights.

Jim Richards 05-05-2006 06:37 PM

uh oh...alien invaders? :eek:

fastpat 05-05-2006 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Leland Pate
Actually it is not a requirement as much as a suggestion brom the alien invaders that sit in wait for the perfect time to strike as we continue to quable over abortion rights.
Didn't this divot get the message, "don't post when your drinking"?

dafischer 05-05-2006 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
All these people were absorbed when the Ministry of Silly Walks was disbanded...
Now they're all working in the Department of Redundancy Department.

RoninLB 05-05-2006 09:25 PM

please dismiss my bs soon so the laughs can continue.. thx

first there is the immediate info relating to his situation.

Second is the thought of this breaucratic structure called Homeland Security. Can it function to maximize the efficency of each outlander? Does it create a similar "group think" concerning situations? Does politics gain greater value among these outlanders? etc etc.

What political pressure created this monstrosity to begin with? What were strategic opinion leaders writing and giving "talks" on concerning this?

So short history may show that Goss is a product of HS bs ?

jyl 05-05-2006 11:51 PM

Many alternative reasons for Goss' resignation.

We know the CIA's stature/role became much diminished under Goss. Intelligence Czar Negroponte took over the CIA Director's position in intelligence briefings, ear of the President, etc.

Goss may not have been popular within the CIA. His mission was to enforce the White House's control over the agency, he put political operatives (ex-Congressional staffers, etc) in the top spots, experienced CIA people have been quitting.

He may have found the job too hard. In 2005 he was quoted as complaining about the workload.

Negroponte may have ultimately pushed Goss out. Notice the leading candidate for new CIA Director is one of Negroponte's top deputies.

KFC911 05-06-2006 05:45 AM

Does anyone have a link to the press conference video clip where GW states something to the effect that capturing Osama is discussed with the CIA chief daily. Porter is standing in the background, and his involuntary facial expression/reaction to Bush's statement is simply priceless. Yeah, I'm cynical of 'almost all' politicians, and tend to think that if their lips are moving, they're probably spinning/lying, etc.

Mulhollanddose 05-06-2006 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC911
GW states something to the effect that capturing Osama is discussed with the CIA chief daily. Porter is standing in the background, and his involuntary facial expression/reaction to Bush's statement is simply priceless.
You mind readers crack me up. Were you one of the butterfly ballot counters for Gore?...I heard he hired them from the Psychic Friends Network.

Jim Richards 05-06-2006 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jyl
Many alternative reasons for Goss' resignation.

We know the CIA's stature/role became much diminished under Goss. Intelligence Czar Negroponte took over the CIA Director's position in intelligence briefings, ear of the President, etc.

Goss may not have been popular within the CIA. His mission was to enforce the White House's control over the agency, he put political operatives (ex-Congressional staffers, etc) in the top spots, experienced CIA people have been quitting.

He may have found the job too hard. In 2005 he was quoted as complaining about the workload.

Negroponte may have ultimately pushed Goss out. Notice the leading candidate for new CIA Director is one of Negroponte's top deputies.

This is most likely the case; however, rumors persist. Probably BS, but who knows? This town (DC) is wacky.

KFC911 05-06-2006 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
You mind readers crack me up. Were you one of the butterfly ballot counters for Gore?...I heard he hired them from the Psychic Friends Network.
Nope, I've pretty much been a staunch Republican all my life.... up until the past few years. The "lessor of the two evils" as it were... but my 'bs meter' has pretty much been pegged to the far right during the current administration. Mul, my parent's are so conservative, they make even you seem like a raving liberal (they've never voted for a Dem. EVER), but just last week, even my mom commented that although GWB "means well", I (who have been opposed against this Iraq fiasco from the git go), have been 'right' in hindsight. Have you by chance seen the video clip that I'm referring to? I think it speaks volumes...you don't have to be a 'mind reader' to judge someone's 'unscripted' reaction IMO.

fastpat 05-06-2006 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC911
Nope, I've pretty much been a staunch Republican all my life.... up until the past few years. The "lessor of the two evils" as it were... but my 'bs meter' has pretty much been pegged to the far right during the current administration. Mul, my parent's are so conservative, they make even you seem like a raving liberal (they've never voted for a Dem. EVER), but just last week, even my mom commented that although GWB "means well", I (who have been opposed against this Iraq fiasco from the git go), have been 'right' in hindsight. Have you by chance seen the video clip that I'm referring to? I think it speaks volumes...you don't have to be a 'mind reader' to judge someone's 'unscripted' reaction IMO.
I think this shows how out of touch with reality the Bush'ists are, and have been all along.

Leland Pate 05-06-2006 10:57 AM

What's a divot?

Mulhollanddose 05-06-2006 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC911
Nope, I've pretty much been a staunch Republican all my life.... up until the past few years...
I just can't understand how you know what Porter Goss was thinking. From all accounts Bush is on top of the terrorism issue, in fact it occupies a majority of his Presidency. Bush doesn't drink, doesn't use drugs and doesn't chase skirts on company time. From all I have heard and read, Bush listens to the experts and meets with them frequently...For you to suggest otherwise just seems like a stretch only a liberal would make.

KFC911 05-06-2006 05:07 PM

I have NO idea what Porter Goss was thinking (I can only interpret his 'unscripted' reaction to GWB's statement.... you should draw you own conclusions from the video clip I referred to). If it makes you feel better to label me a 'liberal', feel free, but I'm a very independent thinker (with a more conservative background than you could ever imagine), who firmly believes that despite all of GWB's 'good intentions' that this administration has taken this country in the wrong direction. I respect your viewpoint (but disagree), and I'll have mine....carry on :)

Mulhollanddose 05-06-2006 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC911
I'm a very independent thinker (with a more conservative background than you could ever imagine), who firmly believes that despite all of GWB's 'good intentions' that this administration has taken this country in the wrong direction.
Really?...You do realize Bush has called for social security reform and shrinking the size of government (cannot get traction because the media is against him)? You realize Bush turned around a possibly very bad recession and currently presides over one of the strongest economies in our history? You do realize that the unintended results of the Iraqi invasion, a centralized killing field for terrorists, could not have turned out better?

I don't see your gripe, other than caving to Democrats on the budget and caving to Democrats on illegal immigration.

Jim Richards 05-06-2006 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
You do realize ...
that Mu's been hittin' the neo-con Kool-aid again. :rolleyes:

Mulhollanddose 05-06-2006 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
that Mu's been hittin' the neo-con Kool-aid again. :rolleyes:
Facts is facts. I don't care how uncomfortable they make your misconceived conclusions. You have been duped. Realizing this is half your battle.

alas

KFC911 05-06-2006 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Really?...You do realize Bush has called for social security reform and shrinking the size of government (cannot get traction because the media is against him)? You realize Bush turned around a possibly very bad recession and currently presides over one of the strongest economies in our history? You do realize that the unintended results of the Iraqi invasion, a centralized killing field for terrorists, could not have turned out better?

I don't see your gripe, other than caving to Democrats on the budget and caving to Democrats on illegal immigration.

SS reform is not high on my agenda (I'll take care of myself thank you... despite ALL I've paid over the past 25 years). I've got no qualms with the economy (I seem to do fine regardless of the political party in power). If you replace 'centralized killing field' with 'incubator' and get rid of 'not', then I'll agree with you last statement. As I stated earlier, you have your view, I have mine... carry on :)

Jim Richards 05-06-2006 05:33 PM

Oooohhh, I feel so much better. BTW, federal gov't had grown by leaps and bounds since B2 and the Repubs have been in charge. Maybe you don't see it on the leftist coast, but it's hard to miss out here.

Mulhollanddose 05-06-2006 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim Richards
Oooohhh, I feel so much better. BTW, federal gov't had grown by leaps and bounds since B2 and the Repubs have been in charge. Maybe you don't see it on the leftist coast, but it's hard to miss out here.
One of the biggest neo-socialist gripes is the fact that the war on terrorism is taking away from social programs...It is no secret that the Democrats want more, not less, spending.

Jim Richards 05-06-2006 05:44 PM

I liked the spit gov't (one part in the WH, other in one or both houses of Congress) as this was usually a recipe for lower levels of gov't spending. When the libs and neo-cons have it all, it's usually a run on the bank.

But this is all OT...whassup with Porter Goss? Was he part of the lusty nights at the Watergate? Or was it just his buddy (and appointee) Foggo?

dafischer 05-06-2006 06:45 PM

It's such a hoot watching Mul at full left-wing, liberal, pinko, commie, socialist, democrat, traitorous, sedititious, and bush-is-nothing-other-then-god froth.


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