Disagree completely Taz. If morals are instinct, then how do you explain the different morals between different cultures?

Some tribes practice polygamy, some practice cannibalism. Drug use is considered taboo in our culture yet is considered the work of holy men in the Native American culture.

If it was all instinct then the morals should all be similar, no?

War and economics shape all civilization. Morals/social policy/religion fit the situation imo.

So by that logic, an Alpha would want to get as much of his genes into the pool as possible - no real hope for monogamy unless there was a threat to his sired offspring which required him to be around?

I guess it is understandable and acceptable for a strong Alpha to want to pork any sweet bitty that raises a tail...I'm cool wit dat.

Well Lube, I've always found it interesting that if a man gets lots of girls, he's "cool" but if a girl gets lots of men, she's a "slut." Is it societal standards modeled around instinct?

You say that like it'a a bad thing...

LOL

Most people do say it like it's a bad thing though....

Nathan, just like geographical differences result in different physical mutations, geography and genetics can impact social evolution. Not all physical mutations were beneficial, and some social structures are less successful. As society behaves in ways less beneficial for the species, it suffers.

If morals are not driven by instinct/evolution/nature, where do they come from? Evolution dictates that humans are simply animals working with what nature provides to adapt and survive, we can be nothing more than what our biology dictates. Right and wrong (as dictated by society or our conscience) is simply nature showing us what we need to do as a species be more successful.

Either nature dictates to us our ideas of good and evil in order to help the species to survive, or morality comes from God. Evolution gave us morality, or it came from outside nature. Emotions and morality are tools from nature, or gifts from God. Either way, it seems obvious humans cannot be slaves to their desires and benefit themselves or society.

That statement alone is the perfect example of how our views differ.

I do not feel a need to put every societal moral into an evolutionary box because I believe humans ARE more than what their biology dictates. That's what makes us humans. As I have stated above, there are several human ideals that are not in our evolutionary best interests. The only explanation (that I can come up with anyway) for these anti-evolutionary ideals is that humans are striving to be more than what their biology dictates.

Agree completely with you there.

A strong Alpha doesn't care about that. If she is healthy, hot and willing, strong Alpha will see to it that his genes are in the mix.

So lube is it the drive for personal pleasure, or the drive to procreate that induces the genetic mixing? The assumption seems to be that the sex drive is a reproductive drive, like the strong alpha is just waiting to celebrate the "I'm pregnant" report. Is there really anyone who buys that, people want to have sex becuase they really want to reproduce? How many guys would deny themselves an opportunity for sex if they knew the intercourse would result in offspring? The drive isn't for children it is for pleasure.

I have a pic of a tattoo.

It's a devil w/a knife & fork drooling over a female w/ her crotch being the guy's inner belly button. The wolf is yelling "Lunch".

i don't want to be gross on such a sensitive subject by posting unless I'm asked.

Hey Ron,

Show me the tat.

Thank you

Hey Ron,

Nice tat. And nice belly:)

I always like looking at tattos. They are very creative sometimes.

Are humans supposed to be monogamous by design? Yes. Are they supposed to be monogamous by nature? No. Because of our nature we need laws. Without suppressing human nature our society suffers.

Do we need a law that says eat when you're hungry; sleep when you're tired? No. Do we do need laws to stop our natural greed, selfishness and promiscuity? Yes.

Society is changing humans are not. Some call it progression and some call it going to hell in a hand basket. Either way we are making changes. Some of it is good and some of it appears good, but has future negative repercussions. I suggest we are moving toward an acceptance of nature in our society rather than suppressing it.

As a result society is slowly suffering by the eroding of moral laws. We kill our children and call it "choice", we normalize promiscuity and the breakdown of the "traditional family unit", we tell lies to benefit ourselves and as a result we don't trust anyone, we give criminals too much empathy, and we give any minority an automatic victim status with special rights.

Just call me old fashion.

I think it helps that bust'n a nut feels great but it goes much further than that. It almost borders on aggression. I have noticed that many guys will check out a chick and (under the right situation - normally a few beers to make them somewhat comfortable) will say something like "I'd pound that” or "I'd hit that". It isn't just a phrase. If it wasn't aggressive but rather based on intimacy they would say "I sure could cuddle wit dat' or "I really would like to caress those lips” Nope - it’s really about a power thing. A physical thing. But the gene pool concept is such a deep. Entrenched drive it is not unlike craving air or water.

We can't describe the taste of water yet we know what bad water tastes like and we know what good water tastes like. Water is a basic common drive. A need that transcends words. Sex is like that as well.

I think it is a perfect combination of sustenance, pleasure and the continuation of oneself in perpetuity!

To expand - you know when you need water, your throat hurts. The drive for water is intense - anybody ever get real thirsty? It sucks and it hurts and you would rink your own urine or brackish water if you could. The drive for sex is as strong. Why? Just to bust a nut? Heck a back rub feels great as does a foot rub. You don't go jones'n for that.

Bob: "Did I ever tell you about the worst sex I ever had in my life?"

Fred: "No, how was it?"

Bob: "...Fabulous."

and while we are on the subject, I remember viewing a show years ago on PBS concerning sexuality. The topic of female orgasm was raised. It does have a function - makes it easy on da boyz, so you would think that the man that knew how to pleasure a women would have a greater success rate at getting his spunk to the goal line - the fluid makes for a friendly place to swim. So the the guys that perfects the techneques to make a women actually ejactulate has achieved the acme of his sexuality.

Boy I'm glad that guy doesn't have an "outie".