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fastpat 05-22-2006 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I grew up playing in oil fields. Other than some obvious brain damage and occasional oily hair, I am fine.
Well, there's that scaly skin and molting issue, don't forget.

fastpat 05-22-2006 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
+1

"Drill everywhere" is incredibly short-sighted. Yes, let's bail out those alive today...screw the next generations. We got ours...

There is something like 500+ years of oil in known deposits, 700+ years in estimated deposits not counting oil sands and oil shale.

The only method of controlling use that is reliable and reasonable is the market. All government economy regulations and laws should be repealed now. All they do is skew the market negatively.

Mulhollanddose 05-22-2006 07:44 AM

Glad to see you have taken the good doctor's advice and are compliant with your meds, Pat...See, now was it that hard?

nostatic 05-22-2006 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
There is something like 500+ years of oil in known deposits, 700+ years in estimated deposits not counting oil sands and oil shale.
source? You don't agree with the USGS.

fastpat 05-22-2006 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
source? You don't agree with the USGS.
A political source? Certainly not.

I'd recommend reading, Peak Oil Panic which sheds some light on this issue, but as you should be able to see, there's difficulty in judging the exact scope of oil reserves because of ongoing technological changes and as yet accurately mapped known oil deposits. Further, with eco-crazies like Babs Boxer of California blocking oil reserve development on the Cally coast, which should be developed if the market so dictates, oil extraction can be unpredictable too.

nostatic 05-22-2006 09:45 AM

you do realize the link you provided uses USGS data/analysis...and I didn't see the 500 year figure quoted anywhere, unless I missed it with my quick read.

I don't want the CA coast being drilled. I'd rather work the comsumption angle...

fastpat 05-22-2006 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
you do realize the link you provided uses USGS data/analysis...and I didn't see the 500 year figure quoted anywhere, unless I missed it with my quick read.
The article didn't contain information supporting my estimates, but it did reference many more sources than the USGS.

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I don't want the CA coast being drilled. I'd rather work the comsumption angle...
I do want the California coast resources recovered if it makes economic sense to do so. I've been to Santa Barbara many times and thing the oil platforms are beautiful in many ways.

They represent man's utilization of natural resources, always a pleasant thought, they represent jobs, and they represent civilization and wealth creation. There are no negatives of which I can think.

The consumption angle is fine as long as you're doing that through private enterprise and not attempting to force reduced consumption on anyone at the point of a government gun.

gaijindabe 05-22-2006 01:17 PM

Going broke sitting in a big house with a big a/c unit and a big SUV in the driveway?

You are dependent on foreign oil and it is your own damn fault.

JavaBrewer 05-22-2006 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
[B]The article didn't contain information supporting my estimates, but it did reference many more sources than the USGS.


I do want the California coast resources recovered if it makes economic sense to do so. I've been to Santa Barbara many times and thing the oil platforms are beautiful in many ways.

They represent man's utilization of natural resources, always a pleasant thought, they represent jobs, and they represent civilization and wealth creation. There are no negatives of which I can think.

The consumption angle is fine as long as you're doing that through private enterprise and not attempting to force reduced consumption on anyone at the point of a government gun.

As a kid growing up in S.B. I thought all beaches were covered with oil and that cleaning our feet with turpentine before getting in the car was normal...

fastpat 05-22-2006 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by dmoolenaar
As a kid growing up in S.B. I thought all beaches were covered with oil and that cleaning our feet with turpentine before getting in the car was normal...
That's strange, I walked the beaches there and never saw anything like that, they're as pristine as any beach that has humans walking on it.

Maybe things have changed, or there's a season for it.

JavaBrewer 05-22-2006 01:55 PM

I was referring to the '69 spill that really messed up the beaches for years.

nostatic 05-22-2006 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
The article didn't contain information supporting my estimates, but it did reference many more sources than the USGS.


interesting. I asked you for a source for your figure, you post that link, I comment that I don't see support for your number, and you say it didn't have it.

So you posted it because...

I'll ask again. Source for your 500 year reserve?

Jim Richards 05-23-2006 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
Gas was 0.99 only a few years ago (incl taxes). That's a killer.

-Wayne

I think that was in 1999 or maybe 2000. For six years now gas prices have been jumping with every new "crisis."


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