This could be Germany's new tourist slogan

[nine_one_4]

"Come to Germany to visit our prostitutes. It isn't a sin and you would be helping our economy."

Check out the last paragraph in this article from Der Spiegel magazine.

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SPIEGEL ONLINE - May 26, 2006, 04:55 PM
URL: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418206,00.html
Sin City

Madame Angie and the Prostitution World Cup

With all the negative coverage, one could be forgiven for thinking that Germany is a country of human-trafficking pimps and shackled prostitutes. They do exist and one shouldn't talk the problem down. But since 2002 the country has also had legalized prostitution -- a world that is closely monitored by the government and where women pay taxes and receive benefits and regular health checks.

Pick up an American or British newspaper these days and it seems like the World Cup isn't a football tournament at all. "Scandal of Cup Hookers," screams the headline in one British paper. "Dortmund Aims for Whore and Peace in Plans for World Cup," reads another. "United States Lawmakers Push Germany on World Cup Sex Trade," claims an American paper. You could be forgiven for thinking that visitors looking to watch a bit of soccer will be greeted by an army of skimpily clad, under-aged Ukrainian sex slaves -- sent by Madame Angie herself -- upon arrival in the country.

A quick Google search highlights the international interest in Germany's sex industry. Plug in Artemis, Berlin's new mega-brothel located just a stone's throw from the city's World Cup venue, and you'll find more than 10 pages of links. Along with feature after salacious feature about how German cities are expanding existing red light districts or erecting new ones to handle the influx of horny fans coming to Germany for football and fornication.

But even before you hit the third paragraph, the articles have unleashed the moral sledgehammer admonishing readers about the immorality of prostitution. Fully licensed brothels are discussed in the same breathless paragraph with grim estimates by human rights organizations that between 40,000 and 60,000 young women from Eastern Europe may be trafficked into Germany where they will be forced to work as sex slaves. If you're going to write about prostitution, the rule seems to go, than it had better be negative.

Forced prostitution, of course, is a very real and serious problem in Germany. But much of the foreign coverage seems to deliberately conflate the two issues.

Germany legalized prostitution in 2002. Legal ladies of the night here work in licensed brothels, they have work permits, they receive regular health check-ups and they pay taxes and receive benefits. Some do in fact work in sleazy places, like the infamous bordello along the train tracks coming in to the main station in Dusseldorf where prostitutes greet delighted passengers from numbered windows. But then, the world's oldest profession has always been a bit tawdry.

Of course, there is the illegal side -- undocumented women and men who have been trafficked in from Eastern Europe, Asia or elsewhere. It's a problem that should in no way be argued away or glossed over. But the reality is that Germans here are fully aware of the problem -- so much so that former Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer was nearly driven out of office in a human-trafficking scandal. After the country loosened its visa regulations for Eastern European countries in 2000, applications from Ukraine alone more than doubled. Flooded with applications, Fischer ordered embassies and consulates to rule in favor of Eastern Europeans if there were any doubts about whether a visa could be issued. It was a loophole that suddenly meant tens of thousands of Eastern Europe prostitutes could come to Germany on tourist visas and their pimps or traffickers on "business" trips -- and it was a ruling that led one German politician to call Fischer a "pimp." The Federal Criminal Office estimates that there are 140,000 forced prostitutes in Germany.

It's an issue that criminal investigators, the government and even non-government organizations are working hard to eliminate. In the run-up to the World Cup, there has even been a national soccer-themed campaign: "Red Card to Forced Prostitution." The head of the German Football Federation also heads a program called "Final Whistle -- Stop Forced Prostitution," that was launched in March.

Both of these programs seek to raise awareness among World Cup visitors about the problem of forced prostitution and what can be done to stop it. The Final Whistle program materials say it "is not opposed to legal prostitution. In fact, existing rights for prostitutes need to be expanded in order to improve working conditions to ensure that services are voluntary and independent, and to combat social stigma."

In March, another program was launched called " Responsible Johns," with a Web site offering tips for how you can determine if a prostitute is on the books or not as well as how you can help a person if you think they are a victim of human trafficking. There's even a telephone hotline for quick help.

But at the end of the day, the vast majority of the country's sex workers -- 400,000 of them -- are legal. And when the World Cup begins, they'll be in the well-regulated brothels and in mobile huts stationed near football stadiums waiting for customers. Visiting them isn't a sin. And the German economy could use the boost.

dsl

[Joeaksa]

Was in Berlin in the last couple of weeks and they had articles on the local news how the "men's clubs" had been sprucing things up a bit for the world cup.

They went on to mention that for most places the prices start at $500 and raise rapidly, so the local economy would get quite a boost from the new customers.

Prostitution was legalized four years ago in Germany and the Europeans have a whole different view on sex and their bodies, so very few people look on it as a bad thing.

[nine_one_4]

This is how I see it.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

[scottmandue]

Originally posted by Joeaksa


snip

Europeans have a whole different view on sex and their bodies, so very few people look on it as a bad thing.

Joe, you have been away for awhile... nine one four is our newest religious zealot.

Not that there is anything wrong with that...

[914GT]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
so very few people look on it as a bad thing.

I guess these must be the few.

German brothel made to remove Saudi, Iran flags

And the usual motivating factor to obey those few people:

"after angry Muslims complained and threatened violence"

[914GT]

Then there's this little bit of motivation to go into the business:

'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'

[livi]

Sure, I am from Sweden and I have come to understand that there are members on this board that regards living by The Book equals a higher moral standard. As Sweden is a highly secularized society we obviously need not apply when it comes to life ethics and moral.

Anyway, the topic at hand is controversial within Europe. Sweden is actually one the countries that have been shouting out loud against the German policy. Our chancellor of Justice even suggested we should boycott the Championship of Football this summer.

The German view is that legalized business pulls it out in the light. Authorities have better control and insight. The pros ends up with a more secure, less dangerous work situation.

Those against (official Swedish policy) argue mostly from a general, indignant, moral point of view.

Sure, very few people would argue prostitution is a good thing. But, as the phenomenon is regarded as the oldest trade in the world and impossible to eradicate, acting in a way that best serves the poor girls is not that clear cut.

Now you may verbally hit me on the head.

[HardDrive]

Originally posted by nine_one_4
This is how I see it.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Grrrrrrreeeeeaaaaattt. Nothing makes party like a person who quotes the bible.

[Joeaksa]

Some part of this law I do not agree with. For instance:

<<< Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse. >>>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml

[scottmandue]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Some part of this law I do not agree with. For instance:

<<< Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit.

Okay, that is pretty horrible...

[scottmandue]

Originally posted by livi
Now you may verbally hit me on the head.

BAD SWEDE BAD!

Now go make some cheese.

[livi]

Either 'make some cheese' is an American term meaning something else that I am not aware of - or Sweden has a reputation for making a lot of cheese. Neither of which I was aware.

[artplumber]

Originally posted by scottmandue
Okay, that is pretty horrible...

Interesting. The article doesn't say much about "forced prostitution" coming from their own gubmint.

The slippery slope.....

[914GT]

Originally posted by livi
Either 'make some cheese' is an American term meaning something else that I am not aware of - or Sweden has a reputation for making a lot of cheese. Neither of which I was aware.

Maybe he meant 'cut the cheese'.

[scottmandue]

Originally posted by livi
Either 'make some cheese is an American term meaning something else that I am not aware of - or Sweden has a reputation for making a lot of cheese. Neither of which I was aware.

Okay it was a weak joke but the best I could do on boring Saturday at work... I presumed all European countries make wine and cheese.

Tough room... is this mike on?

[beepbeep]

Hmm...there is good cheese made on Gotland. Mmmmm....cheese.

[nostatic]

Sweden is part of Switzerland, right? I think that's what he was refering to...they make the holy cheese.

See how I tied that in with the bible quote? Damn, I'm the new Mul...(democrats suck)

[beepbeep]

Originally posted by nostatic
Sweden is part of Switzerland, right?

Mmmm...no. Not more than Canada is part of Mexico...

[Wrecked944]

I'm a good catholic boy. And in my church, Mary Magdalene is considered a saint.