POLL: Do you think Skilling / Lay will flee?
 

Do you think that either Lay or Skilling will catch a plane outta here?

SvK

Oh, I'm sure they want to. Do you really think they stand a snowball's chance of pulling it off? I don't.

Skilling, maybe. Lay still doesn't know what's going on so he'll probably hang around

Naw. Coupla years in minimum security Club Fed and Dubya will pardon them anyway. Then they will both write books and get on Oprah.

Yep, I would.

Who are they?

Of course not. No chance of staying at large. When recaptured, go to a real prison with hard cases, instead of white-collar prison.

They might commit suicide but do not see either running out of the country.

These guys egos are way too big to eat a muzzle or live on the lamb. GWB won't pardon them - not a chance in he!!, and don't let the rumors fool you. There is no club fed. These guys might not be gitt'n assraped by a 300lb worthog but their freedom will be taken away and they will have to obey minial orders from people who they have looked down upon most of their lives.

These guys have lived very large. This will be truely punishment. Of course I didn't loose the way some folks did. They may want their heads on a stick pointing south...

NO, but I hope they do or get their convictions thrown out. They need to repay as much as possible and earn reparations, but jail does nothing but empower the state and is a bad idea.

Almost all of those that lost money did so because they were gullible fools.

Their passports have been siezed, to my knowledge. Not that they couldn't easily buy forgeries with their ill-gotten fortunes, but just saying. . .

I doubt they'll run. They're delusional enough to think everything will still somehow be fine.

it's not very bright to put all your money into company stocks.

money in stocks = money you can afford to lose.

Lay and Skilling are not like Marc Rich and Pincus Green. And GW is not like Bubba.

They deserve to be Bubbas little ***** with no lube.

good riddance

You don't want guys like these in jail, since it's not clear they broke any laws. Those of you that think they did had better look deeper into the government's case, it was no more solid than the travesty they ran on Martha Stewart.

People lost money because they thought they could make gobs of money with no risk. They thought they were getting one over on someone else.

"You can't cheat an honest man" from the The Ballad of the Flim-Flam Man by Guy Owen.

This whole thing should have been a civil suit, not a criminal trial.

They are guilty because they have been judged to be guilty by a jury of their peers. More than likely they would be guilty in many other countries as well.

While I would like to see them make reparation for the financial fiasco they precipated on the former Enron employees as well as the entire financial community, I don't know that it (reparation) is possible w/o creating a process more costly than the debt they have created. Since they are convicted felons, most corporations would not hire them and while the proceeds from books could be significant, it's spit in the ocean compared to what they squandered through gross negligence and dishonesty. Anyway, a book would only be clear admission of guilt. (These guys are not Jack Welch.) Unfortunately, I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg in the corporate environment today.

As for the investors, much of the financial lose was experienced by institutional investors and consequently had a more far reaching impact than just the employees and private investors who trusted the corporation to make honest and ethical decisions. Being gullible and greedy is not a crime.

So, they were convicted by a jury made up of corporate CEO's?

No, didn't think so. As for the jury, ever meet anyone on a federal jury? Yeah, I haven't either.

And last, the term "voir dire" is french for jury tampering.

Until they took the stand they had a very good chance of walking. From what I read the jury just could not get over the fact that both men seemed slimy as an autumn booger. They lost all credibility and chance for dismissal when they opened their mouths.

The prosecutors Freudian slip of “Mr. Lie” instead of Mr. Lay was also priceless

Fastpat, and some others, I worked for Portland General Electric which was bought by Enron in 1995? I didn't loose as much as some but it was plenty. The company changed our pension system for everyone who was 42 or younger, the older folks had a choice of the new plan or staying with the pension plan. I got the new plan (no choice), company payed 5% into your 401k and would match up to another 6%. The 5% and matching 6% was payed in enron stock which COULD NOT BE MOVED OR CASHED OUT BEFORE YOU WERE 55. I know guys who were 53, 51, 54 years old who had over a million in there 401k's. They dropped down to 300k to 400k. They won't be retiring at 55 like they had planned for so many years. So before you go calling people gullible and greedy, you need to know what the FUK YOU are talking about.
What should happen to those guys and what I would like to do to them isn't legal in this country.

Sorry if I offended anyone, it's been a sore subject around here.

Our politicians' misuse of taxpayer monies make the Enron indiscretions look like petty theft.