Rep Kennedy pleads guilty to DUI...

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Like father, like son...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199290,00.html

[stevepaa]

Yep, addictions often are.

[Moneyguy1]

I give him credit for doing the right thing.

How many offenders would rather deny their guilt and go through the public and private expense of a trial?

We need to see more personal responsibility for individual actions.

P.S. Until you have lives with or had a close experience with someone addicted to even prescription drugs, please do not be so quick to castigate them. Watching such an individual do through this is painful even for the others involved.

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1

How many offenders would rather deny their guilt and go through the public and private expense of a trial?

We need to see more personal responsibility for individual actions.

Huh? By all accounts he (with the help of the watch supervisor) was trying to cover the whole incident up until it became public...

By the way your two statements seem to be at odds. In your first statement you seem to be implying that he's innocent, but just wants to avoid the hassle of a trial, and in the second statement you credit him with taking responsibility.... I don't see it.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
I give him credit for doing the right thing.

How many offenders would rather deny their guilt and go through the public and private expense of a trial?

We need to see more personal responsibility for individual actions.

P.S. Until you have lives with or had a close experience with someone addicted to even prescription drugs, please do not be so quick to castigate them. Watching such an individual do through this is painful even for the others involved.

If you think for even half a second that this is anything other than a calculated move, then you are kidding yourself.

The Kennedys couldn't possible care less about "doing the right thing".

[Moneyguy1]

Innocent? Hardly. Just think of the grief the Country would have avoided if Clinton had fessed up at the beginnig of his scandal. If my post is misunderstood, I apologize. I was just saying that those guilty of something should have the nads to come forward and admit it rather than claiming to be totally innocent. Personal responsibility.

Len..they are ALL calculated moves. The point is sparing public expense in a court case that is obviously open and shut guilty. Happens every day, many times a day.

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Innocent? Hardly. Just think of the grief the Country would have avoided if Clinton had fessed up at the beginnig of his scandal. If my post is misunderstood, I apologize. I was just saying that those guilty of something should have the nads to come forward and admit it rather than claiming to be totally innocent. Personal responsibility.

Len..they are ALL calculated moves. The point is sparing public expense in a court case that is obviously open and shut guilty. Happens every day, many times a day.

Yep, agree. Now if we could only get that corrupt congressman William Jefferson (D, La), who was caught with tens of thousands of cash in his freezer, and on tape accepting bribes, to "go quietly"... but noooooo, he's a "victim" of racism according to the congressional black caucus.... It'd be funny, if it wasn't so sick. But it's what the Democrats have given us by playing the race card at every turn...

[Rick Lee]

My best friend got a DUI in DC about 2 yrs. ago and the laws have gotten tougher since then. Because he was a VA resident at the time, he was able to keep it hidden from VA by doing a deal with the prosecutor. Worst for him was he couldn't drive in DC for 6 mos. and works in Georgetown, where there is no Metro. Legal fees, fines and mandatory AA classes ran him around $5k. Mind you, he was pulled over for speeding, blew a .13, didn't give the cops any hassle and still spent the night in the tank with the others who end up in jail in DC on a Sat. night.

Amazingly, Kennedy had a car accident while DUI, caused damage and didn't have a license with him. And he's only paying $350? There was no mention of a suspended license. But either way, he lives down the street from his office and can just have his staffers drive him.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
he lives down the street from his office and can just have his staffers drive him.

Better for everyone that way.

[Moses]

Rehab plus guilty plea = Recipe to convert arrogant despot into sympathetic victim.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by john_cramer
Where's the outrage?

Ad Hominem attack on Limbaugh related to Drug Problem

Did Kennedy spend years telling people how all drunks should be tossed in jail, etc?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
Did Kennedy spend years telling people how all drunks should be tossed in jail, etc?

Are you just regurgitating other people's lies?...I have listened to Rush since 1998, almost daily...I have never heard him say that.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by nostatic
Did Kennedy etc?

Rush has made a couple comments about druggies over the years, he has certainly not "spend years telling people how all druggies should be tossed in jail".

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Are you just regurgitating other people's lies?...I have listened to Rush since 1998, almost daily...I have never heard him say that.

guess you're a newbie:

October 5, 1995:

"There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."

Rush Limbaugh Show, December 16, 1994
So we're not going to get on--we don't fault these animals for a lack of discipline, but we get on human beings who are fat for lack of discipline and you know it and I know it. But here's the thing that struck me about this. We have alcoholics and drug addicts in our society, don't we? And what do we say about them? Well, they can't help it. Why, it's genetic. Why, they have a disease. Why, put one thimbleful of scotch in front of them and they can die.'

We totally exempt them from any control over their lives, do we not? Some athlete will spend two years snorting lines of coke. He can't help it.' You know, it's--it's just--it's not--it's--it's genetic. These people--they're predisposed to having this addictive syndrome. They--they can't help--yeah, like that line of cocaine just happened to march into the hotel, go up to the athlete's room and put itself right there in front of him on his blotter.

Rush Limbaugh Show, 1-15-96
In fact, I'm reminded--I had this story about three weeks ag--maybe it was before Christmas, maybe it was as far back as November--but there were a couple of drug convictions out in--I think it was a Colorado court. And these guys had--had done some really bad stuff, and there were mandated federal sentences for the crimes they had committed. And the judge apologized to the criminals while sentencing them because he thought it was too severe. He apologized and the com--the community was outraged. So we've gone from a judge sentencing a mother who makes her child beg six months in jail, to judges apologizing for getting dope dealers and crack dealers and drug salesmen off the streets with too severe a sentence.

Rush Limbaugh Show, 9-23-93
LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) He says that, I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of drug abuse. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you're making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that.'

What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it. And I don't know how--how to do it, but if I was going to do it, I'd do it. If there were a gun here, it wouldn't fire itself. I've got to reach for it and--and pull the trigger. And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility.

[artplumber]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
.....Amazingly, Kennedy had a car accident while DUI, caused damage and didn't have a license with him. And he's only paying $350? There was no mention of a suspended license. But either way, he lives down the street from his office and can just have his staffers drive him.

Plus he got off from the two more serious counts against him by making this deal. (& maybe could have been the basis for removal from office?)

On the other hand, the explanation about going to a vote is kind of funny, may have been completely accurate in his mind - he was completely intoxicated and probably believed it, wanted to get there early to make sure he got to vote.

[Rick Lee]

Honestly, I can understand the plea deal. They're pretty common and I got a very sweet one for my own DUI because I was very friendly and cooperative with the cops.

But the real kicker of Kennedy's case was listening to him speak today about how he was so eager "to take responsibility for his actions." Leaving the egomania aside, it's pretty telling when someone has to publicly brag about taking responsibility for his actions. When I was growing up, my parents expected nothing less and it certainly wasn't anything to brag about.

[nostatic]

yeah, but Rick consider his family...

[Rick Lee]

Sadly Todd, that wasn't his point. And it just insults my intelligence.

[ronin]

Originally posted by lendaddy
The Kennedys couldn't possible care less about "doing the right thing".

touchdown!

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
Sadly Todd, that wasn't his point. And it just insults my intelligence.

I know that wasn't his point. I'm just sayin'...

I no longer take anything people say at face value. That got me nothing but misery because I figured that people were sane, so if they were saying crap like that, it must mean they either were pissed off at me or thought I was an idiot. He's a product of his environment...I can't even imagine growing up a Kennedy. His value system is totally whack. That isn't an excuse, just an explanation. You had decent parents with a moral compass. He had the compound. How in the world could you expect him to come out "normal"?