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knock three times

They had a warrant? They announced themselves via shouting ? They waited 3-5 seconds after shouting?

No no slippery slope IMHO.

I wouldn't mind seeing much more severe penalties when police do that and get it wrong.

Making that kind of entry standard procedure would be very troubling. But under certain circumstances--a drug house for example--it's pretty ridiculous to say they have to hang around outside and wait to be let in.

So, like everything else, you need proper oversight from judges (granting warrants) and the chain of command to use appropriate methods in appropriate circumstances.

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Originally posted by RallyJon
I wouldn't mind seeing much more severe penalties when police do that and get it wrong.

Making that kind of entry standard procedure would be very troubling. But under certain circumstances--a drug house for example--it's pretty ridiculous to say they have to hang around outside and wait to be let in.

So, like everything else, you need proper oversight from judges (granting warrants) and the chain of command to use appropriate methods in appropriate circumstances.

what he said.

Cue the blood bath....

You know damn well the cops are going to come crashing into some methlab unanounced, and the occupants are going to quite understandably open up with an AK.

Repeal all drug laws and most of this becomes moot.

Recent AZ law now says I can plug anyone coming through my front door unannounced.

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Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
Recent AZ law now says I can plug anyone coming through my front door unannounced.

They announced

What if I am hearing impaired?

"Sorry, I did not hear them...."

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
What if I am hearing impaired?

"Sorry, I did not hear them...."

Then you get your door busted in.

and if U shoot your dead...so the law is moot in your case.

I was asking in reference to the new AZ law......

Would hearing impairment make a valid defense for firing on someone kicking in your door?

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Originally posted by lendaddy
They announced

And? Provided proof of ident?

Happened here once in AZ: couple sleeping in bed, crew of three barges into their house claiming they're bounty hunters...guy wakes up, pulls gun, gets plugged.

So-called "bounty hunters" were just a trio of crooks.

Re: Re: knock three times

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Originally posted by john_cramer
I just read all the opinions and I think all the Justices made excellent arguments in this one. I am a firm believer in the "behavior-modification" effect of the Exclusionary Rule (which arises out of a number of cases, most notably Weeks in 1914, which acts to supress any evidence attained by unlawful methods which implicate the Defendant's Fourth Amendment Rights) insofar as if LEO's in the field know that to have the hope of a conviction they've got to follow constitutionally permissible procedures for executing search warrants.

I challenge you on this. If there is no penalty for the LEO (except the _defendant_ goes free), then you will not change the behavior of the LEO.

I would prefer to let any evidence be presented that has been collected. After all, it is "truth". But, then that same evidence will be used to convict the LEO for breaking the law.

How many LEOs will collect illegal evidence if it means they will go to jail themselves?

Set the measurements to drive the right behavior.

Just chalk it up as part of "keeping our freedoms alive".