sorry PETA. i drew for elk!

[vash]

in new mexico. a quality area. looks like only 99 of us drew out of 2000. is my 30.06 enough? i am thinking 180gr nosler partitions. my other rifle is a .257 weatherby, which i think is way too light. i get to go new rifle scope shopping. i need to replace my old weaver off of the .06 (model 70, not the pre 74). i guess leupold? kinda excited.

[tobster1911]

Should be fine with the .06 for elk. The other cal would work, but you better be a good shot.

I carry a Rem 700BDL in 7mm Mag. I have a nice Leopold that I like. Nothing fancy just 3-9x40. Is this your first time? Have a blast....

[vash]

first time. going guide-less with my bro.

[juanbenae]

i bet there was a racial affirmative action deal at work here... you minority guys get all the breaks.

hispanic member

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by tobster1911
Should be fine with the .06 for elk. The other cal would work, but you better be a good shot.

I carry a Rem 700BDL in 7mm Mag. I have a nice Leopold that I like. Nothing fancy just 3-9x40. Is this your first time? Have a blast....

Make it Ruger instead of Remington, and that's my elk rifle. Vash, take the 30 '06. Use a fairly heavy bullet, sight her in at 1.5" high at 100 yards, and you should be set...Don't try to be fancy with head shots. With Elk, aim for the shoulder. As my now deceased buddy said: "Shoot 'em in the shoulder, then shoot 'em in the shoulder again." I haven't hunted for years, but I'm fairly sure of this advice.

[tobster1911]

You will have a great time. Most importantly make sure that you are shooting the correct sex. Big trouble if you tag the wrong one....

Oh yeah, look out for Buck Fever

[vash]

yea, this area is not an antlerless area. only 5pt or more if i remember correctly. i will not miss the boy animal..

elk steaks coming up! (if i find one and dont miss)

[tobster1911]

Originally posted by pwd72s
Use a fairly heavy bullet, sight her in at 1.5" high at 100 yards, and you should be set...

Yep. I set for +1" @ 100yds. This will put my rifle dead on at 200 and -1" at 300. Good for almost anything I want to shoot at. Also the heart is low in the chest just behind the front shoulder. I don't like to shoot the shoulder because it wastes meat. Bloodshot meat is no good. My last elk yielded 80 (3-4 per)packages of steaks and 30 (1lb) packages of burger. I did all the processing myself and put everything to steak or burger. I an not big on roasts when I can eat steak.

[kang]

I don’t understand how someone can shoot and kill a helpless, beautiful animal. I just don’t get hunting for sport. What is it that you like? Is there some sort of power trip involved, some sort of power you have over these “lower” animals? Seriously, I want to understand.

Now, hunting to feed your family, that’s different. But we can go to the supermarket these days. Not that slaughter houses are any less cruel than hunting for sport, of course. But a slaughter house is just a business, the business of feeding the population. Hunting for sport, killing helpless animals, is somehow fun for the people that do it. I don’t get what is fun about it to you.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by kang
I don’t understand how someone can shoot and kill a helpless, beautiful animal. I just don’t get hunting for sport. What is it that you like? Is there some sort of power trip involved, some sort of power you have over these “lower” animals? Seriously, I want to understand.

Now, hunting to feed your family, that’s different. But we can go to the supermarket these days. Not that slaughter houses are any less cruel than hunting for sport, of course. But a slaughter house is just a business, the business of feeding the population. Hunting for sport, killing helpless animals, is somehow fun for the people that do it. I don’t get what is fun about it to you.

I am not a deer hunter as I do not like venison and I am not into hiking around outdoors for hours at a time, however I get great satisfaction from killing "varmint" type animals that get into our pet's food or that eat our fish in the pond.

If you eat meat of any kind, I "don't get" why you would care what other "animals" others like to kill and eat.

[TerryBPP]

Use a 220 grain in a 06 and you should have enough power to knock down a wall.

[Drago]

Originally posted by kang
I don’t understand how someone can shoot and kill a helpless, beautiful animal. I just don’t get hunting for sport. What is it that you like? Is there some sort of power trip involved, some sort of power you have over these “lower” animals? Seriously, I want to understand.

Now, hunting to feed your family, that’s different. But we can go to the supermarket these days. Not that slaughter houses are any less cruel than hunting for sport, of course. But a slaughter house is just a business, the business of feeding the population. Hunting for sport, killing helpless animals, is somehow fun for the people that do it. I don’t get what is fun about it to you.

There's always at least one...

I'm not a hunter but I do eat meat. I'd imagine taking the animal yourself would be much more rewarding an experience than shuffling on down to the local grocery store to pick out what you like, leaving the nasty business to the slaughter houses. Probably healthier too.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by vash
in new mexico. a quality area. looks like only 99 of us drew out of 2000. is my 30.06 enough? i am thinking 180gr nosler partitions. my other rifle is a .257 weatherby, which i think is way too light. i get to go new rifle scope shopping. i need to replace my old weaver off of the .06 (model 70, not the pre 74). i guess leupold? kinda excited.

.30-'06 is fine for elk, and you don't really need the partition Noslers, ballistic tips will work well. Elk aren't thick skinned animals, they're just fairly large compared to Whitetails. The ballistic tips have better retained energy out at 200+ yards, plus a flater trajectory. Leupold makes a very good scope, their LPS line is as good as it gets, 30mm tube and extraordinary glass.

Good hunting.

[tobster1911]

Originally posted by kang
I don’t understand how someone can shoot and kill a helpless, beautiful animal. I just don’t get hunting for sport. What is it that you like? Is there some sort of power trip involved, some sort of power you have over these “lower” animals? Seriously, I want to understand.

Now, hunting to feed your family, that’s different. But we can go to the supermarket these days. Not that slaughter houses are any less cruel than hunting for sport, of course. But a slaughter house is just a business, the business of feeding the population. Hunting for sport, killing helpless animals, is somehow fun for the people that do it. I don’t get what is fun about it to you.

It is a lot of things to me, none of which is a power trip. Now there are plenty of the sport hunters out there and I can not stand those guys.

Here is a few reasons why I hunt.

It is MUCH better meat. It may be a personal taste thing but I find wild game much better than store meat.

Try to buy ~100lbs of meat for $32 + gun and gear. Not going to happen. Most people have the gun and camping gear so it ends up being very cost effective. My biggest cost is gas to and from.

Spending time with family. It is something I always do with my Dad and brother.

Makes it more personal. You have a little more respect for your food if you have to kill, clean, cook it yourself. I don't know why a person would want to eat meat if they are so squeamish that they must distance themselves from the act of producing it. Killing for food is a part of life and people should "Man up" and experience it. It might change your life, you would find that it is not about a blood-thirsty frenzy.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by kang
I don’t understand how someone can shoot and kill a helpless, beautiful animal. I just don’t get hunting for sport. What is it that you like? Is there some sort of power trip involved, some sort of power you have over these “lower” animals? Seriously, I want to understand.

Now, hunting to feed your family, that’s different. But we can go to the supermarket these days. Not that slaughter houses are any less cruel than hunting for sport, of course. But a slaughter house is just a business, the business of feeding the population. Hunting for sport, killing helpless animals, is somehow fun for the people that do it. I don’t get what is fun about it to you.

You are a vegan then? No leather belts, shoes or jackets either? If you are not a vegan and eat/wear animal products then why does it matter where they come from and how?

If you have never hunted and know what the meat tastes like when its fresh, then you need to. The crap that is served in supermarkets is no where near what it tasted like right after the animal was butchered.

Have not hunted in years but still enjoy shooting. Whenever someone goes out I usually tag along. A 30.06 is more than enough for Elk but do not go too light on the bullet. Get to a range beforehand and sight the rifle in as told above. Then once you get out in the field, do a three round test shoot to make sure that it has not changed, THEN go hunting.

[kang]

Originally posted by Drago

I'm not a hunter but I do eat meat. I'd imagine taking the animal yourself would be much more rewarding an experience than shuffling on down to the local grocery store to pick out what you like, leaving the nasty business to the slaughter houses. Probably healthier too.

What’s rewarding about shooting it with a powerful rifle? That’s like saying that stomping on a bug is rewarding somehow. Now if you used a spear or something primitive, where it was a fair fight, I could see how you could call it rewarding. Still not something I would want to do, but if you have a chance of loosing, that makes all the difference.

I'm being serious here. I don't get hunting for sport.

[tobster1911]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Then once you get out in the field, do a three round test shoot to make sure that it has not changed, THEN go hunting.

Good advice because field shooting is very different than range shooting. Judging distance become difficult as well as dealing with elevation changes. Shooting up/downhill is not the same as a flat range.

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by kang
[BI'm being serious here. I don't get hunting for sport. [/B]

So don't hunt. Problem solved.

[kang]

Originally posted by tobster1911
It is a lot of things to me, none of which is a power trip. Now there are plenty of the sport hunters out there and I can not stand those guys.

Here is a few reasons why I hunt.

It is MUCH better meat. It may be a personal taste thing but I find wild game much better than store meat.

Try to buy ~100lbs of meat for $32 + gun and gear. Not going to happen. Most people have the gun and camping gear so it ends up being very cost effective. My biggest cost is gas to and from.

Spending time with family. It is something I always do with my Dad and brother.

Makes it more personal. You have a little more respect for your food if you have to kill, clean, cook it yourself. I don't know why a person would want to eat meat if they are so squeamish that they must distance themselves from the act of producing it. Killing for food is a part of life and people should "Man up" and experience it. It might change your life, you would find that it is not about a blood-thirsty frenzy.

Thanks, I can respect this approach. Still, not something I’d want to do, but that’s OK. Of course, there are ways to spend time with your family besides killing things.

I guess not all hunters get some sort sick pleasure from the kill, although I’m sure some do. I see that you can’t stand those guys. It’s not about a blood-thirsty frenzy to you, but it is to some.

[tobster1911]

Originally posted by kang
I guess not all hunters get some sort sick pleasure from the kill, although I’m sure some do. I see that you can’t stand those guys. It’s not about a blood-thirsty frenzy to you, but it is to some.

These are the guys that spend thousands on a guided outfitter who leads them by the nose to the elk. They drink beer morning, noon, and night and act like jackasses. For the most part they are all from out-of-state and are a serious pain in our butts. (note: not all out of staters are this way) They are out there but for the most part they are the serious minority of hunters.