Slavery in New York...

[fastpat]

An interesting history of slavery in the empire state written in the 1990's. At one point slaves made up 25% of the work force in the state, or in the city, or both. It ended in the 1850's, sort of.

[gaijindabe]

It did not end well either:

"The activity of kidnappers and cheats in selling slaves out of the state in spite of the laws fostered the 1817 statute that gave freedom to New York slaves who had been born before July 4, 1799 -- but not until July 4, 1827. Slavery was still not entirely repealed in the state, because the new law offered an exception, allowing nonresidents to enter New York with slaves for up to nine months, and allowing part-time residents to bring their slaves into the state temporarily. Though few took advantage of it, the "nine-months law" remained on the books until its repeal in 1841, when slavery had become the focus of sectional rivalry and the North was re-defining itself as the "free" region.

The state's slaveholders had seen the writing on the wall after 1785. And part of their response was to sell their slaves south while they still could. As early as the 1780s, after commissions and insurance costs, an able-bodied New York slave could be sold south for a profit of at least £40. Owners avoided the ban on the slave trade by disguising purchases as long-term leases or indentures (one importer brought a "free" black over from New Jersey under a 99-year "indenture"). Free blacks were victimized, too, sold into slavery for debt or under terms of fraudulent contracts or apprenticeships. The New York Manumission Society rescued 33 blacks from such schemes in 1796 alone; uncounted others certainly slipped past their vigilance.

http://www.slavenorth.com/nyemancip.htm

My great-great-great uncle was the governor who presided over this debacle.

[Dixie]

Free blacks were victimized, too, sold into slavery for debt or under terms of fraudulent contracts or apprenticeships.

Come on! Pat ascertains they volunteered. His claim is blacks wanted to be slaves. They loved being slaves. And why wouldn't they? All the watermelon you can eat. Tap dancing...

[gaijindabe]

I think Pat's point is to remind us that we had slavery in the north - and much of the northern economy (at times) was dependent on slavery.

It did end earlier (but with no immediate emancipation for all - but slowly - and that had the effect of people being sold off into slave states) and was more widespread and went longer than most people realise.

We all paid our dues, north and south for this terrible evil.

[Moneyguy1]

And the days of slavery in America is, by law, over. Bias and predjudice still exist, however, and many more years will pass before this is eradicated.

The Civil war and the nineteenth century are over. Let's move forward with our thinking rather than backward.

[Brian Cameron]

Originally posted by Capt. Carrera
Come on! Pat ascertains they volunteered. His claim is blacks wanted to be slaves. They loved being slaves. And why wouldn't they? All the watermelon you can eat. Tap dancing...

The tap dancing thing lost its luster [or is that lustre?] very quickly when it was realized that one could get severely injured falling into the sink.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Capt. Carrera
Come on! Pat ascertains they volunteered. His claim is blacks wanted to be slaves. They loved being slaves. And why wouldn't they? All the watermelon you can eat. Tap dancing...

An absurd statement.

It is interesting that a slave in North America, that is the British colonies, had a substantially longer lifespan than had he or she remained in Africa.

However, if you wish slavery had never happened, then you're a racist since that's tantamount to wishing blacks out of America.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
I think Pat's point is to remind us that we had slavery in the north - and much of the northern economy (at times) was dependent on slavery.

It did end earlier (but with no immediate emancipation for all - but slowly - and that had the effect of people being sold off into slave states) and was more widespread and went longer than most people realise.

We all paid our dues, north and south for this terrible evil.

The Union has something in common with Haiti, it used a war to end slavery; no other country in the Western hemisphere did that. And, the Union did that solely to cripple the south, and for no other reason. Remember, the Union congress proposed a Constitutional amendment in the spring of 1861 that would have made slavery permanent, in order to coax the southern states that had not seceded yet to not do so.

[fintstone]

Even more telling is the Emancipation Proclamation that freed slaves in the south...but not the north.

[914GT]

Slavery in America is alive and well, thanks to liberal progressive multiculturalist thinking.

Egyptian couple in California plead guilty to slavery charges

Pair Admit Enslaving Girl, 12

"The case shed light on a common though illegal practice in Egypt in which children from poor families are sent to work for the well-to-do. The servants, known as Khadamah, usually range in age from 9 to 18 and often are forced to sleep in kitchens."

[Moneyguy1]

Isolated instances do not make something alive and well in slavery, anymore than isolated instances of alleged misdeeds by military personnel make it a widespread problem.

Simply an anomoly.

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by fastpat
And, the Union did that solely to cripple the south, and for no other reason.

And why, pray tell would the Union want to do that?

[Moses]

I'm always shocked that the U.S. carries the complete moral baggage for african slavery. In fact, despite the fact that we were a "minor player" in the slave trade, we fought a war where free white men died to free black slaves.

I know of no european nation that has acknowledged or apologized for their role in the african slave trade.

So...When an african slave was taken from home, where were they taken and by whom?

PORTUGAL 4.5 million slaves to Brazil
ENGLAND, SPAIN and FRANCE 4 million slaves to the Caribbean and another 300,000 to Europe
AMERICA 500,000 slaves to North America
CENTRAL AMERICA 200,000 slaves

Tell me again why african slavery is "America's" shame...

[oldE]

Fastpat wrote:
"It is interesting that a slave in North America, that is the British colonies, had a substantially longer lifespan than had he or she remained in Africa."

It is also interesting that lions grow larger and live longer in captivity. Are we to interpret this to mean you think we were doing them a favor?
Just think how the US is extending the projected lifespans of the detainees in Gitmo! If that is your thinking, pray do not let me stray into your beneficence!

Fastpat wrote:
"However, if you wish slavery had never happened, then you're a racist since that's tantamount to wishing blacks out of America."

Isn't it odd how so many other peoples managed to make it to this continent, without being manacled and sold into a life of slavery?
I'm sorry, Pat. This arguement, (if that is what it is supposed to be) seems to be the product of someone whose vocal chords are tied to their sphincter. They're talking out their @ss. I hope it's not you.

Les

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by Moses
I'm always shocked that the U.S. carries the complete moral baggage for african slavery.

I dont think we do. Maybe as emancipation came to other countries in the Western Hemisphere before the USA, but that was a long, long time ago..

[914GT]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Isolated instances do not make something alive and well in slavery, anymore than isolated instances of alleged misdeeds by military personnel make it a widespread problem.

Simply an anomoly.

Not necessarily. I think there's a lot more of it going on than you realize.

Slavery is not just the shameful stuff of history books - Not in Florida

[fastpat]

Originally posted by oldE
Fastpat wrote:
"It is interesting that a slave in North America, that is the British colonies, had a substantially longer lifespan than had he or she remained in Africa."

It is also interesting that lions grow larger and live longer in captivity. Are we to interpret this to mean you think we were doing them a favor?
Just think how the US is extending the projected lifespans of the detainees in Gitmo! If that is your thinking, pray do not let me stray into your beneficence!

Fastpat wrote:
"However, if you wish slavery had never happened, then you're a racist since that's tantamount to wishing blacks out of America."

Isn't it odd how so many other peoples managed to make it to this continent, without being manacled and sold into a life of slavery?
I'm sorry, Pat. This arguement, (if that is what it is supposed to be) seems to be the product of someone whose vocal chords are tied to their sphincter. They're talking out their @ss. I hope it's not you.
Les

Get a grip, this is 2006. You implication that I'm ready to bring back slavery is more muddleheaded yankee crap. Not only that, but your knowledge of how people from Great Britain arrived in America appears to be tied to the methods of the Great Immigration of the latter 19th century, and nothing could be further from the facts.

Slavery was substantially different in the 13 British colonies, that's a historical fact, as is the fact that most slaves in the 13 colonies were paid wages.

This is a dispassionate discussion of the historical fact that slavery existed, you're ignorant rant is quite simply, out of line.

Sit on the sidelines, maybe you'll learn something, though from your post, that's unlikely.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Moses
I'm always shocked that the U.S. carries the complete moral baggage for african slavery. In fact, despite the fact that we were a "minor player" in the slave trade, we fought a war where free white men died to free black slaves.

I know of no european nation that has acknowledged or apologized for their role in the african slave trade.

So...When an african slave was taken from home, where were they taken and by whom?

PORTUGAL 4.5 million slaves to Brazil
ENGLAND, SPAIN and FRANCE 4 million slaves to the Caribbean and another 300,000 to Europe
AMERICA 500,000 slaves to North America
CENTRAL AMERICA 200,000 slaves

Tell me again why african slavery is "America's" shame...

It's a part of the "race baiting, poverty pimp" business to make it "America's shame". After all, when was the last time you heard that Massachusetts was the first colony to legalize slavery in the British colonies? Almost no one mentions that because slavery was and is supposed to be a Southern "thing", never mind the fact that almost no southern based shipping companies brought slaves to North America.

[914GT]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Simply an anomoly.

Another slavery 'anomoly' in the news a few days ago.

Saudi man guilty in nanny slave case

This one in Colorado.

[cashflyer]

Originally posted by Moses
I'm always shocked that the [Southern states] carr[y] the complete [blame] for african slavery.

Corrected text in brackets.

I'm also shocked and appalled that so many seem to completely discount the fact that other peoples were also enslaved.

I guess the media and the activists can't find any value to bringing up the topic of the Chinese or Irish who were slaves and "endentured servants" in our country, since typically you don't see those groups screaming that the white Americans owe them a handout to attone for the actions of white ancestors.