Oklahoma City Bombing

snowman · 07-03-2006, 08:34 PM

Why did Mc Veigh bomb the federal building?? We executed him, but never asked why he did it. Why????

fastpat · 07-03-2006, 08:45 PM

The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror

The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh by Gore Vidal.

Mulhollanddose · 07-03-2006, 08:55 PM

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The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh[/url] by Gore Vidal.

Quoting Gore Vidal?...Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?

Mulhollanddose · 07-03-2006, 09:14 PM

"He was a leading spokesman for the New Left in the 1960s and which helped to earn him the praise of a left-friendly media. According to The Washington Post, he is the “master essayist of our age.” His rise began in 1948 with the publication of The City and the Pillar, a “path-breaking” novel about a homosexual relationship. In 1960, he ran for Congress from Dutchess County, New York. In the midst of the Cold War, he called for drastic reductions in the military budget and friendly relations with Mao, the brutal despot whose Communist policies were then producing the worst recorded famine in world history. He lost. Eight years later, in a series of much-discussed debates with William F. Buckley during the raucous Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Vidal called on Americans to support Ho Chi Minh and North Vietnam’s Communist regime against the United States. For good measure, he called Buckley a Nazi. In the last several years, as Frontpage readers know (see George Shadroui, “The Weird World of Gore Vidal,” December 23, 2003), Vidal has lapsed into a permanent and bizarre form of Anti-Americanism. In several essays and interviews, he has insisted that the U.S. is an imperialist power hell-bent on world domination, that the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden was perfectly understandable, and that President Bush knew what was going to happen on 9/11 and welcomed it."

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By Josef, I think Patsy is a near fascimile of Gore Vidal.

Moses · 07-03-2006, 09:32 PM

Say what you will about Gore Vidal, but he is precisely correct about Ruby Ridge and Waco. Precisely correct.

tabs · 07-03-2006, 09:42 PM

I met and had a conversation with James Nichols out at the farm on Van Dyke in 96..if U remember the Feds had him in custody for a month trying to link him to Oklahoma.. he had those blazing blue eyes of the true paranoid. It was basically that the Federal Government is too powerfull...does anyone on this Board remind you of that kind of fanaticism. LOL

snowman · 07-03-2006, 09:54 PM

I hate commies, to the extreem. But I can agree with Gore Vidal on this one.

Clinton brought out the best (and worst) of the true american. What McVeigh did was unforgiveable, but so was what Clinton did, even more so as he was president.

My feelings are that Clinton came as close to starting civil war in this country as was possible. The zelots were holed up, waiting for the signal to "pull the trigger". Clinton represented the greatest threat to american civilizatin, ever, and he was proving to be sincere (WACO). We almost lost it under Clinton. NEVER AGAIN should be our moto.

If we ever want 0ur american civilization to fall aprart, we should elect Hillary. Remember Waco, Elian Gonzolas, it dosen't get much worse. If the lefties in this country want a civil war, they should continue on their present course. I can only pray that they do not, we can all pray that they do not. I cannot see blood and bodies in our streets for the ideals of a few left wing zelots. I cannot support the bloodshed that would result from their "sucess". But McVeigh has proved that we are on the edge, the verge, of that civil war. The zelots on both sides must be stopped, we cannot have such a war in this country again.

Moneyguy1 · 07-03-2006, 10:35 PM

tabs

You make a point. There are those who confuse liberty with facism, ignorance with strength* and slavery with freedom, a philosophy that Winston Smith would be familiar with.

*The ignorance of the citizen is the strength of its leadership

Mulhollanddose · 07-04-2006, 12:54 AM

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Say what you will about Gore Vidal, but he is precisely correct about Ruby Ridge and Waco. Precisely correct.

Okay, I will say this..."Vidal called on Americans to support Ho Chi Minh and North Vietnam’s Communist regime against the United States."

tabs · 07-04-2006, 03:34 AM

Civil War is exactly what your going to get in America...its 50/50 in the voting...and neither side is talking to the other anymore, only making accusations. The 2000 election was the breaking point where both sides lost trust in each other...that will be Al Gores legacy.

However before that happens a Dictatorship will be established to maintain civil order. It will maintain the outward appearence of a Democracy for PR sake.

Aurel · Aurel's Garage

How to create a dictature: First, you find a common ennemy that allows you to get the populace used to the loss of their basic freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. Then, you reinforce a polarized society through a biparty system and use the media as a tool of propaganda to raise each side against eachother. Pretty soon, no decisions can be made democratically anymore, since each side will oppose any decision made by the other side. At this stage, the way is paved for the dictator to move in full power.

Aurel

DaveE · 07-04-2006, 05:29 AM

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Civil War is exactly what your going to get in America...its 50/50 in the voting...and neither side is talking to the other anymore, only making accusations. The 2000 election was the breaking point where both sides lost trust in each other...that will be Al Gores legacy........

How does that become GORE'S legacy? If I remember correctly, he isn't the one who didn't want the Florida votes recounted. He isn't the one who went to the Supreme Court to stop the recount.

fastpat · 07-04-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by tabs
Civil War is exactly what your going to get in America...its 50/50 in the voting...and neither side is talking to the other anymore, only making accusations. The 2000 election was the breaking point where both sides lost trust in each other...that will be Al Gores legacy.

However before that happens a Dictatorship will be established to maintain civil order. It will maintain the outward appearence of a Democracy for PR sake.

That's what we have now, with further ground work being carried out by the federal government now. There's been several pelicanites who've expressed the sentiment that doesn't Bush realize that the laws passed under his regime will be useable under that of a Democrat regime as well? The cold, hard fact is that statists of both parties don't care about that issue, as a part of the ruling oligarchy they are not affected in any way by those laws, avoiding arrest for violations that ordinary folks are jailed for. This was amply illustrated by the Danforth Commission, challenged to reexamine Waco after additional evidence had been obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety Evidence room. Danforth whitewashed the Branch Davidian murders a second time, nailing shut any culpability in the Clinton administration. Danforth became furious when he was challenged on his publically ignoring evidence incriminating the US government. When Ruby Ridge (which happened under Bush I) mass murderer Lon Horiuchi was charged with Manslaughter in Idaho, it was the Clinton regime who removed Horiuchi from state jurisdiction, sent him before a federal Judge who promptly dismissed all charges.

If anyone doubts the out of control lawlessness of the federal government, and the fact that it's too dangerous to have around, the above should dispel that doubt.

fastpat · 07-04-2006, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by tabs
I met and had a conversation with James Nichols out at the farm on Van Dyke in 96..if U remember the Feds had him in custody for a month trying to link him to Oklahoma.. he had those blazing blue eyes of the true paranoid. It was basically that the Federal Government is too powerfull...does anyone on this Board remind you of that kind of fanaticism. LOL

The problem with McVeigh et al was that they thought you can punish government with a bomb.

The only way to punish government is to cut off its' money.

Of course, had an IRS office been bombed, I doubt as much sympathy would have occured for those that worked in it.

Moses · 07-04-2006, 06:32 AM

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Okay, I will say this..."Vidal called on Americans to support Ho Chi Minh and North Vietnam’s Communist regime against the United States."

Vidal was asked about this a few years ago by a student at a college lecture. He replied, "What the hell did I know back then? I was your age!"

Sure, Vidal is a man of extreme opinions, but even a stopped watch is right twice a day and Vidal is right about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

cashflyer · 08:38 AM

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... Vidal is right about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

++1

And regarding civil war...
(I can only paraphase this since I didn't google for an exact quote.)

So long as there is a car in the driveway and a tv in the house, the average american will never budge off his well fed ass to oppose anything the government does.

Mulhollanddose · 09:19 AM

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Sure, Vidal is a man of extreme opinions, but even a stopped watch is right twice a day and Vidal is right about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

edit: If that watch is not immediately taken in for repair the owner will be misled, and those around him will think he is quite strange to continue referring to it.

Hitler was right once in a while too...Just not where it mattered...I will throw out everything Hitler and Vidal said; it is safer that way. Vidal is a man of warped opinions, warped by his own dark heart...look at what similar thought has done to Patsy.

fastpat · 07-04-2006, 08:35 AM

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Hitler was right once in a while too...Just not where it mattered...I will throw out everything Hitler and Vidal said; it is safer that way. Vidal is a man of warped opinions, warped by his own dark heart...look at what similar thought has done to Patsy.

Comparing Gore Vidal with Adolf Hitler documents your psychosis yet again.

Mulhollanddose · 07-04-2006, 08:51 AM

That is rich coming from you. Vidal is a crackpot, an obvious crackpot. Everything he says, like you, should be immediately dismissed as crackpottery. You are accurate sometimes, Patsy, but I certainly don't want your kind steering the boat into the rocks, which is obviously where folk like you and Vidal hold steady.

Interestingly you and Vidal share a common kinship with communists, by all accounts worse than fascists.

Moses · 07-04-2006, 09:42 AM

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I will throw out everything Hitler and Vidal said; it is safer that way.

I'm not particularly interested in "safe" thinking. Nor would I wish to limit the sources from which wisdom might be found.

Why is it difficult to imagine that one could learn from the writings of Ayn Rand as well as Gore Vidal?

By the way, comparing Vidal to Hitler is a bit of a stretch.