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David 07-14-2006 11:28 AM

New speed limits in west Texas
 
I saw these speed limit signs last weekend west of Kerrville on I-10 :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1152905319.jpg

Joeaksa 07-14-2006 11:37 AM

Excellent! Might shave a bit off of a very long drive next time!

Joe A

thamlin000 07-14-2006 11:58 AM

That's so needed.

I-10: San Antonio to El Paso is a boring drive. The quicker you can get through it, the better.

jjwood 07-14-2006 12:23 PM

Dave: ROAD TRIP. BTW your project seems to be moving about as fast as mine. Old Widebody's been in bodyshop since OCT, and haven't even got to suspension etc. Got my M&B 911R muffler the other day. sure like to put it on.

cowtown 07-14-2006 02:42 PM

So does everyone still drive 20 over when the limit's 80? That what everyone does in NorCal - cruises around 80-85 in a 65.

singpilot 07-14-2006 04:57 PM

Not in that part of Texas. Speed enforcement can be local in nature. Trooper writes the ticket, but the justice court is local.

Don't ask me how I know.

legion 07-14-2006 05:12 PM

I wish Illinois would do that. The drive from Bloomington from Chicago is boring as hell.

Problem is, it's a huge revenue-producing corridor too.

I'd drive the speed limit if it was 80 mph...

speeder 07-14-2006 05:15 PM

Most of the interstates in the west half of the country are 75 already w/ a ~5mph "speedo error" alowance and traffic is doing 80.

David 07-14-2006 06:26 PM

Fast traffic was going about 85 rather than the normal 9 over. There were quite a few troopers out; they should have been back in the 70 zone were folks were also going 85 (or not since they might have nailed me too).

legion 07-14-2006 06:30 PM

Still 65 mph here. :(

Jims5543 07-14-2006 06:40 PM

Call me crazy but it looks to me like the 80 MPH speed zone in that picture is only about 100 feet long before it hits 70 again.

David 07-14-2006 07:02 PM

70 is the truck speed limit. Texas hasn't figured out that it's not safe to have vehicles going different speeds. Fortunately most truck drivers do their best to keep to the right lane or they go the car speed limit (plus 9 mph of course).

Jims5543 07-14-2006 07:05 PM

Just looked closer. Did not notice the big word TRUCK on the sign at first glance.

artplumber 07-14-2006 07:07 PM

Who are we kidding, everyone's going 90 on that stretch anyway. The only way I can stay awake is to drive that stretch at night, then at least, you have the sense that you're moving.

snowman 07-14-2006 07:08 PM

I still remember the late 60"s in Texas. Speed, Unlimited. Typical 120 MPH, no hassle. I long for those days again.

efhughes3 07-14-2006 07:12 PM

One of the DFW news stations found a stretch of road in the metroplex with NO signage. My guess is that this was fixed within hours...

legion 07-14-2006 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by efhughes3
One of the DFW news stations found a stretch of road in the metroplex with NO signage. My guess is that this was fixed within hours...
Around here they just give you a ticket for exceeding a "reasonable and prudent" speed in that case.

masraum 07-15-2006 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by efhughes3
One of the DFW news stations found a stretch of road in the metroplex with NO signage. My guess is that this was fixed within hours...
Technically there are normal "state limits" so signs are not 100% necessary. I've taken defensive driving a few times over the years, and they always make a point of showing a chart

neighborhoods, 30mph unless otherwise posted
business districts 35 unless otherwise posted
... etc... So the rule is supposed to be, if you don't know then go these speedlimits until you see a sign that says otherwise.

Tervuren 07-15-2006 09:19 AM

When you enter North Carolina - there is a sign that says 55MPH enless otherwise posted.

The one I wonder about - is there are a few signs on a few roads around here that read "end speed zone". No other speed limit for a good stretch. Its "otherwise" posted that there is no speed zone...

I think where I lie in S.C. its 45MPH. N.C. roads tend to be a bit faster.

Porsche-O-Phile 07-15-2006 09:37 AM

I hate speed laws - they exist for one purpose and one only - money.

Because it's too difficult to legislate/enforce a "common sense" standard (like parts of Montana have) like "don't drive faster than what is reasonable given driver, vehicle, conditions, and road", they come up with these dumbed-down "catch-alls" just to make revenue off it.

I think most people know it's "unreasonable" to go 50 through a school zone or 120 on a highway unless it's very un-trafficked, straight, flat and you have a car built for it.

But to make that the rule would cost the states billions in B.S. enforcement and the insurance companies that buy the politicians would scream bloody murder since they wouldn't be able to extort more money from the average Joe anymore.

So we're stuck with the bull**** system we have. . . Unlikely to change anytime soon. Unless you go to Montana.

masraum 07-15-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Because it's too difficult to legislate/enforce a "common sense" standard (like parts of Montana have) like "don't drive faster than what is reasonable given driver, vehicle, conditions, and road", they come up with these dumbed-down "catch-alls" just to make revenue off it.

I think most people know it's "unreasonable" to go 50 through a school zone or 120 on a highway unless it's very un-trafficked, straight, flat and you have a car built for it.

You must not deal with the general public much. I think that's the problem. If you tried to make it reasonable and prudent you'd have some folks going 120 in SUV's, Old Camaros with worn out cheap ***** tires, whatever, then you'd have other folks on the same road going 40, and the location of the road wouldn't matter, school zone or not.

THe problem is that "people" don't have common sense, and "people" aren't reasonable and prudent and "people" vastly overestimate their capabilities and the capabilities of their vehicles and other people around them. I hate the speed limits too, but I don't think there's any way around having to have them. Even with them if you spend 30 minutes driving at almost any time day or night, good weather or bad you see people that aren't following them, that aren't being reasonable or prudent or using common sense. Just imagine if we suddenly made it a free for all.

For us to even begin to consider making the traffic laws more lax we need a couple of things to happen. 1 Our vehicle saftey and inspections need to be much more strict. I know everyone on this board sees cars driving around on a daily basis that have no business on the road. 2 Our training, testing and responsibility need to have much, much higher levels. Too many eople don't have any clue how to drive and a bunch are only partially clued in. The testing is much, much too easy. It should be really difficult and expensive to get a license, more like it is in some foreign countries. Responsibility for being an idiot should be enforced more.

artplumber 07-15-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by masraum
...THe problem is that "people" don't have common sense, and "people" aren't reasonable and prudent and "people" vastly overestimate their capabilities and the capabilities of their vehicles and other people around them. I hate the speed limits too, but I don't think there's any way around having to have them. ....
Spot on. People is waay stupid.(;) ) Haven't you seen people weaving lanes on the freeway at 80 mph on their mini spare tire.:eek: Or driving jacked up 4x4's tailgating motorcyles. Or driving 80 mixed with 50 when they forget to press the gas.

snowman 07-15-2006 07:48 PM

Total BS. Before the 55 limit, many states had reasonable speed limits. Many unlimited. I think its total bs that any rual speed limit is set below 85mph on most roads. Reasonable was once 65 on two lane state highways, and still should be.

The highest risk time to be caught speeding is when you are the ONLY one on the road, a clear and open road. Thats when they get you for doing 60 in a 55 which should be 70 zone. At times of high traffic, everyones going 80 plus and they cannot seperate the wheat from the chalf.

Ever notice that in the big cities, the 55 limit never took hold. Everyone ignored it and it was totally unenforceable. But in the boonies, where it was one on one, you lost.

Joeaksa 07-15-2006 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by artplumber
Who are we kidding, everyone's going 90 on that stretch anyway. The only way I can stay awake is to drive that stretch at night, then at least, you have the sense that you're moving.
Right you are. I always try to do any drives from the Rockies or El Paso East at night. Its 5-7 hours of nothing and boring as hell. At night at least you do not see as much of it...

Hugh R 07-15-2006 08:14 PM

Isn't the speed limit in Montana 65 for trucks at night, and that's it? I don't like government regulation, but in CA we have semi-annual (every 2 years) smog inspections. I think they should check the tires and lights, but they don't. I see waay to many cars with one brake light, NO lights on the rear at all. The legislature doesn't want to do it because its too much of a burden on the less fortunate! What the f! How much do brake light bulbs cost!

WolfeMacleod 07-15-2006 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
ISo we're stuck with the bull**** system we have. . . Unlikely to change anytime soon. Unless you go to Montana.

Quote:

Originally posted by Hugh R
Isn't the speed limit in Montana 65 for trucks at night, and that's it?
Pretty sure Montana went back to their regular speed limit quite awhile ago, instead of "reasonable and prudent"

Unless MOntana's going to be changing thier limits soon again...in which case, we're moving...

masraum 07-15-2006 09:44 PM

Yep, I second that, I think it's been several years since Montana's "reasonable and prudent" I think they went back to 70 or 75.

masraum 07-15-2006 09:52 PM

http://www.motorists.com/pressreleases/montana.html

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In 1996, the State of Montana reverted to the state speed limit policies that existed prior to 1974 and the National Maximum Speed Limit. The National Maximum Speed Limit was repealed in December of 1995. Montana returned to the use of Reasonable and Prudent speed limits on its federal and state highways.
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The Montana State Patrol chose to enforce a de-facto threshold of an 80-90 mph limit for Reasonable and Prudent enforcement.
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During a challenge of such a ticket, in 1998, the Montana Supreme Court declared the Reasonable and Prudent Speed Limit unconstitutional, on the basis of vagueness. For the following five months Montana had no form of daytime speed limit on its rural highways.
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For the last 5 months of no daytime limits in Montana, the period after its Supreme Court had ruled that the Reasonable and Prudent law was unconstitutional, reported fatal accident rate declined to a record low. Fixed speed limits were reinstated on Memorial Day weekend 1999. Since then, fatal accidents have begun to rise again.
I can tell you that when I'm driving faster I'm more alert, but I think the problem is that the "where" based on the volume of traffic is the problem. There may be many areas of the US where the speed limits could be set high or removed completely, but I don't think most of those areas would be where we would drive on a daily basis. Certainly no where near where I drive in Houston.

masraum 07-15-2006 09:57 PM

A list of the speed limits per state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_United_States

Texas has the highest speed limits of all of the US, and we may have another jump if they start building the superhighway

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85 mph limits

The legislation creating the Trans-Texas Corridor allows speed limits of up to 85 mph (140 km/h)[16] on roads built under the program. However, no such roads have been built as of July 2006. The language of the statute does not prohibit the Texas Transportation Commission from raising the truck speed limit or the night speed limit on these roads.


azasadny 07-16-2006 12:36 PM

When does "night" start.? Does it really mean "65 after dark"?

Porsche-O-Phile 07-16-2006 01:00 PM

What about during an eclipse? ;)

masraum 07-16-2006 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by azasadny
When does "night" start.? Does it really mean "65 after dark"?
Yep

azasadny 07-16-2006 03:38 PM

Haven't they heard of headlights? What about if you're issued a ticket at "dusk" or "dawn"? How would they enforce that?

masraum 07-17-2006 04:31 AM

I've never noticed that people pay too much attention to the whole night speed limit thing, but I'm sure someplace it makes a difference.

I think the point is that most headlights are being out driven at 70+mph

RoninLB 07-17-2006 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by masraum

I think the point is that most headlights are being out driven at 70+mph

with stock bulbs and lens for sure. Try 130/100w Narva and non-DOT lens.

masraum 07-17-2006 04:51 AM

Unfortunately they don't base speed limits on the capabilities of the car and equipment.

Porsche-O-Phile 07-17-2006 04:56 AM

No, they base it on a dumbed-down policy centered around the most incompetent, unskilled driver in the biggest POS in the worst weather conditions. And they wonder why there's BILLIONS of dollars wasted annually in fuel and time costs by people spent sitting in traffic.

My disdain for cold weather aside, I seriously think if Montana re-instates "reasonable and prudent" and I can actually find work up there, I'm going to Montana.

onlycafe 07-17-2006 09:05 AM

the critters run to a really good size in montana , you wouldn't want to have a showdown with a moose or buffalo.


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