Out of control Israel bombs Lebanon...

[fastpat]

Proving once again that Israel is the largest terrorist state in the mideast, bombs have now fallen on Beirut International Airport, a purely terrorist act.

Naturally, the Bush'ists in control of the US government are not only not cutting off all aid to Israel, they appear to be encouraging the terrorism.

Israel crosses the line

[Joeaksa]

Slopat,

Hope you can make it to Walgreens before they close, as your medication is wearing off.

[Howard Agency]

Back off, Joe. Pat must be right. Newspaper said so. Israeli Aggression

Israel’s rich history of aggression against Lebanon
7/14/2006 2:39:00 PM GMT
(Reuters Photo) Lebanese man watches fuel tanks after they were attacked by Israeli aircraft

Israel’s recent raids into Lebanon came to revive memories of its old and continuous acts of terror and aggression targeting the Arab state.

At least 48 civilians, including ten children, lost their lives in the recent series of Israeli terror raids across south Lebanon, which followed the capture of two Israeli soldiers by the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah on Wednesday.

Israel carried on with its offensive on Thursday, blasting Beirut's airport and two army air bases near the Syrian border, as well as imposing a naval blockade.

Although Hezbollah had repeatedly threatened to capture Israeli soldiers, it had limited its attacks to shelling across the border. Wednesday's raid, in which it captured the two Israelis, marked the organisation’s biggest operation since 2000, when it forced Israel end its military occupation of southern Lebanon.

Hassan Nasrallah, the head of the Lebanese movement, said that the two Israeli soldiers would only be freed through a prisoner swap.

The seizure of the soldiers "was also meant to draw international attention... and highlight the ordeal of thousands of Lebanese, Palestinian and Arab detainees (in Israel) as well as their families."

"This is an ordeal of 10,000 detainees and 10,000 families," he said.

Nasrallah added that his group was observing "self-restraint ... as we do not want an escalation and we do not want to take Lebanon and the region to war."

"The Israelis always first say they do not wish to negotiate, but eventually they accept," Hezbollah leader was quoted as saying.

But whether Israel will resort to negotiations or not remains in question.

Here is a chronology of Israel’s terror raids and military aggression against Lebanon since 1968 when its forces raided Beirut airport, destroying 13 civilian planes.

In December 1968, Israeli commandos attacked 13 passenger planes at Beirut airport, claiming it was in retaliation for an attack by Lebanese-trained Palestinians, targeting Israeli airliner in Athens.

In April 1973, former Prime Minister Ehud Barak, disguised as a woman, led a raid on a Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) bases in Lebanon, killing three PLO members.

In March 1978, Israel launched a major military incursion, called the Litani River Operation, into south Lebanon and set up occupation zone. Most of the Israeli troops withdrew within weeks, leaving the zone in the hands of Israel's Lebanese Christian allies, the South Lebanon Army (SLA).

In January 1979, a car bomb attack organised by Israeli agents in west Beirut killed Ali Hassan Salameh, the security chief of PLO's Fatah group, known as Abu Hassan, and four bodyguards.

In June 1982, the Israeli Occupation forces invaded Lebanon, drove to Beirut, and encircled the PLO and Syrian forces in W. Beirut.

In September 1982, Israel captured Beirut after pro-Israeli Christian leader Bashir Gemayel, who was elected president days earlier, got assassinated.

Also September 1982 witnessed the horrific crime of Sabra and Shatila massacre, carried out by Lebanese Maronite Christian militias in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, which were surrounded by Israeli soldiers throughout the incident.

The Kahan Commission, an Israeli inquiry into the massacre confirmed at that time that Israel was (indirectly) responsible for the massacre, and named then Israeli Defence Minister (and future Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon, among several Israeli figures, as bearing “personal responsibility” for the incident.

In June 1985, Israel withdrew most of its forces from Lebanon, leaving a small military unit and an Israeli-supported militia (the so-called "South Lebanon Army") in southern Lebanon.

In February 1992, Israeli forces killed Hezbollah leader Sheikh Abbas Musawi, his wife and six-year-old son.

In 1993, Israel launched a massive attack against Lebanon dubbed "Operation Accountability".

In April 1996, Israel launched another 17-day operation against south Lebanon and Hezbollah, dubbed "Operation Grapes of Wrath".

In May 2000, Israel was defeated by Hezbollah and forced to end 22 years of occupation in south Lebanon.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

If Israel was "out of control" most of the ME would have been fused glass by now. They control the 3rd or 4th largest nuke cache in the world.

Best solution for them is to (conventionally) bomb the bejeesus out of southern Lebanon, similarly blast the hell out of Damascus, and completely glassify Teheran.

[Rick V]

I don't think out of control is the right phrase. Overbearing maby but.................. Maby we should hire Israel to clean up our mess in the gulf.

[Superman]

I'm with Blue on this. First, events of the last several thousand years suggest it is bad luck to pick on God's chosen people.

Also, the Israeli soldier, with all due respect for American service personnel, is considered the best trained and most effective fighting troop on the planet.

Israel is fighting for its life. Always has. Ever see what happens when a dog finally gets a cat cornered? It's not pretty.

Quite frankly, if this thing gets out of hand then we're going to have WAY WAY less Muslim fundamentalists to kill. Israel is going to take them out by the hundreds of thousands.....if they have to. Israel is not going to go anywhere. They will extract much more than an eye for an eye, and it will get more vicious if the bad guys don't ease up quickly.

Quite frankly, they have my support. Again, if peace return then fine. We'll still have an ally in that area whose God is the same as my God. If not, we'll have a LOT fewer Muslims there.

And finally, as far as I am concerned, Israel can go on bombing civil infrastructure targets until the leaders of those countries wise up....regardless of whether those countries stop lobbing bombs at Israel. Iran should be losing several bridges per week until its leader modifies his remarks and policies.

Go Israel!

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Superman
Israel is fighting for its life. Always has. Ever see what happens when a dog finally gets a cat cornered? It's not pretty.

Go Israel!

I love when you are right...so refreshing.

[Moneyguy1]

Why try to place blame?

That entire area is like a bunch of pre-schoolers, intent on teasing each other until someone gets mad enough to physically attack, permitting the others to yell "Mommy!! Mommy!!"

That being said, neither Judaism nor Islam hold the high ground on showing mercy and/or tolerance.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Why try to place blame?

That entire area is like a bunch of pre-schoolers, intent on teasing each other until someone gets mad enough to physically attack, permitting the others to yell "Mommy!! Mommy!!"

That being said, neither Judaism nor Islam hold the high ground on showing mercy and/or tolerance.

This is a principle of broader application than you may think. I am a labor relations consultant in an industry where contracts under a few million dollars are more rare than contracts over $100m, and the games I watch are the same ones I saw on the playground in 4th grade.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
That being said, neither Judaism nor Islam hold the high ground on showing mercy and/or tolerance.

I think Israel has shown unbelievable restraint for the past 20 years.

Look at it this way. Say your neighbor's family members periodically shot, blew up, or otherwise killed the children in your family. For years, though, all you would do afterwards was try to take out the shooter/bomber/whatever. Sometimes with collateral damage, sometimes without.

Eventually, if it doesn't stop, it becomes obvious that greater steps are necessary.

Here's hoping Israel takes the right steps.

[Superman]

Yup. So far Israel has been just delivering some gentle black eyes. I will be very supportive if they lose their temper and really clobber someone at this point. And if they do, that someone will likely mount a retaliatory effort. And Israel's reaction to that will clarify the pecking order in that part of the world. As I said, if the bad guys don't back off very quickly, the blustering and grandstanding that Israel has allowed to continue so far will end abruptly.

The United States has historically been a big part of the reason that Israel has declined to take the gloves off and go bare knuckles for a couple of rounds. I would like to see a couple of bare-knuckle rounds.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by Superman
I'm with Blue on this. First, events of the last several thousand years suggest it is bad luck to pick on God's chosen people.

Also, the Israeli soldier, with all due respect for American service personnel, is considered the best trained and most effective fighting troop on the planet.

Israel is fighting for its life. Always has. Ever see what happens when a dog finally gets a cat cornered? It's not pretty.

Quite frankly, if this thing gets out of hand then we're going to have WAY WAY less Muslim fundamentalists to kill. Israel is going to take them out by the hundreds of thousands.....if they have to. Israel is not going to go anywhere. They will extract much more than an eye for an eye, and it will get more vicious if the bad guys don't ease up quickly.

Quite frankly, they have my support. Again, if peace return then fine. We'll still have an ally in that area whose God is the same as my God. If not, we'll have a LOT fewer Muslims there.

And finally, as far as I am concerned, Israel can go on bombing civil infrastructure targets until the leaders of those countries wise up....regardless of whether those countries stop lobbing bombs at Israel. Iran should be losing several bridges per week until its leader modifies his remarks and policies.

Go Israel!

Totally agree with you and Aaron.

The Israeli's are one of the best fighting forces and had they been out of control they would own Palestine, Lebanon and Syria right now.

I have several close friends in Beirut and they are all backing the action. One thing that we forget is that the Southern part of Beirut is all Muslim, while the Christian sections are up in the hills. They have been worried for years of being taken over by the Moslem faction and are not happy with Hezbollah or Hammas.

I have flown out of Beirut airport for years and hate to see the runways bombed but I have seen the cargo planes land and offload bombs and weapons for the muslims for years. This has to stop and for now its been stopped.

Hope that Israel kicks ass this time around and puts a stop to Syria and Iran sponsoring terror in the middle east.

[dtw]

I am in 100% agreement with Soup (so fun when that happens). I'd also really like to hear Noah speak on this a bit. He's close to the action and quite well versed in the history...

[singpilot]

I wonder how slopat would feel if the precious freedoms he enjoys from the Blood Sweat and Tears of the very people he denigrates on a daily basis were suddenly interrupted by an incoming Katushya rocket lobbed by a self-avowed terrorist group from North Carolina.
Yes, that close.

I'd kinda like to see what he'd say then........ Oh wait! It would still be Bush's fault.

Pat. Get a grip.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by dtw
I am in 100% agreement with Soup (so fun when that happens). I'd also really like to hear Noah speak on this a bit. He's close to the action and quite well versed in the history...

Noah is well versed on the Zionist version of mideast history.

He deals with the methods the early Zionists used acquired the property of Palestinians poorly, and refused to answer direct questions on how the europeans that went to Israel justify the claim of a "right" to the land.

Further, he has yet to deal with the theft of land from the Palestinians on which the Israeli government is constructing a wall, and how the Israeli settlements on the Palestinian land of the West Bank are growing both more numerous and larger.

So, I think "quite well versed" is a bit of an exaggeration.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by singpilot
I wonder how slopat would feel if the precious freedoms he enjoys from the Blood Sweat and Tears of the very people he denigrates on a daily basis were suddenly interrupted by an incoming Katushya rocket lobbed by a self-avowed terrorist group from North Carolina.
Yes, that close.

I'd kinda like to see what he'd say then........ Oh wait! It would still be Bush's fault.

Pat. Get a grip.

In the future, when you post, try to make sense. The above appears to be gibberish.

[singpilot]

The truth would sound like gibberish to a troll.

No surprises there. Sorry I interrupted your fantasy.

Won't happen again.

[Nathans_Dad]

I think it is important to note here that Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip, even forcibly removed their own settlers from that area so the Palestinians could move back in. They also pulled out from northern Lebanon years ago. In return they got rocket attacks, terrorist bombings and invasions into Israeli territory to kill and kidnap their soldiers.

I say the idiots who kicked over the hornet's nest deserve to get stung.

[Howard Agency]

Pat, so you are in agreement with the al Jazeera snip I posted? Do you believe Israel (and US backing of Israel) is the cause of the mideast problems? Further, is world wide Islamic terrorism simply a reaction to this Jewish oppression?

Did we 'get what was coming to us' on 9/11?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I think it is important to note here that Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip, even forcibly removed their own settlers from that area so the Palestinians could move back in. They also pulled out from northern Lebanon years ago. In return they got rocket attacks, terrorist bombings and invasions into Israeli territory to kill and kidnap their soldiers.

I say the idiots who kicked over the hornet's nest deserve to get stung.

I see, you're disregarding the building of the Israeli wall, completely on Palestinian territory, dividing the West Bank into half with the wall, and walling off the Palestinians completely from the Jordan River as just a benign coincidence?

The facts are that the Israeli's have been building more and larger settlements in the much larger territory of the West Bank for years, a process that continues today in violation of international law; and is an act of war against the Palestinians.

You can choose to ignore the terrorism of the Israelis, I have stopped doing that.