Get a PC.

I worked for a major online company doing mac support for most of a decade.

The Mac Myths.

Mac's do pictures better. True. Just like 18 wheeler can carry more grocery's home from the supermarket. Unless your home movies need to be a several orders of "better" your PC will do just as well.

Mac's don't get viruses. Nope. They do get viruses. Just very rarely. Why so rarely? Because no one writes software for macs.

Mac's don't break down. Yeah thats why I was in MAC SUPPORT for 10 years. They do break down. Just not as often as PCs.

"Ha Hawktel I got you now, even you admit that PC's break down more then macs", I hear you say.

Yep, but thats all about math. Don't bother reading this part Fastpat.

Your PC has 3 problems per year. Everyone and their dog knows how to fix a PC. Figure 1/2 hour per Problem. Net time spent on the broken issues, 1.5 hours per year.

Your Mac has 1 problem per year. No one knows how to fix a Mac. 2 hours later, you found the guy you needed to talk to at the only staffed during banker business hours help desk. Course its Saturday night, so Monday afternoon you call and get it fixed. It takes the guy 30 minutes to fix it.

So 1.5 hours for the PC, 2.5 hours for the Mac.

Yeah. Right Macs are easier to fix.


Save yourself the effort. Just get a PC.

Yes it is. I keep my iPhoto and Itunes libraries sync'd between the mac and our laptop pc. I had them connected via wireless but that was taking too long so I bought a cat 6 crossover cable and it only took a few minutes to dump 50Gb of files. XP and OSX play nice together. I much prefer OS X as an OS, though.

I've had mine since 2002 and it's never crashed on me. And I use it for anything from development to digital video editing. Also, with the release of OS X, you'll find a lot more people that know how to fix and tweak OS X than the earlier MAC OSs. I've worked with them all and these new MACs are far better machines than PCs.

My iMac G4 is three years old and has never had a problem. I'm a switcher, and I cannot conceivably see going back in the future.

Value wise, you will keep a Mac much longer on average than a PC.

using what software?

That is true :rolleyes:

Embarrassingly, i did not know that it was the OS' fault that Virus and Spyware happens to Windows OS. Hey, I am in the Games side of the biz :)


Well if the Mac OS is bullet proof then these guys will be going after it soon, right?

Please do not read any sarcasm into my reply, i am not being so. I like and respect Apple, my first PC was a IIe, we have lots to learn from them and having a great competitor is good for the entire industry.

Not even close. My office has been running networked business Macs for 15 years. NOT A SINGLE IT CALL! Not one!

I have a single Dell PC for other business use and it has been a constant headache. I'm replacing it with a dual Intel Mac because I won't live in the PC nightmare anymore. I don't need the frustration.

Oops forgot that one

Mac Myth. Mac's never have problems, and if yours does, its a abnomality.

Sadly not true again. If it was, people wouldn't be making a good living doing mac support. But, guess what, Lots of people do. I don't anymore, but I'll call my friends still in the biz to get out quick because macs don't break.

Its all a scam. Macs suck. PCs suck. You do realize Microsoft owns a bunch of Apple stock?

So again. Get a PC. Easier to repair when it suffers a "normality" then compared to the mac suffering a "abnormality" and you don't have to worry everytime you want to do something with the machine if what ever you want to do will work on a Mac.

quote:Originally posted by Hawktel
The Mac Myths.

Mac's do pictures better. True. Just like 18 wheeler can carry more grocery's home from the supermarket. Unless your home movies need to be a several orders of "better" your PC will do just as well.



using what software?
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Ohh I don't know, Maybe say Photoshop?

typical pc support guy...with zero clue about actually *using* a computer.

Tell me how you use photoshop for your home movies?

Or perhaps how Photoshop is the application of choice for the typical home user?

Alf, I think there are a ton of people out there who want to wipe that smug little grin of our faces. I think they're already trying a lot harder than we know.

One of the things that help OSX is that it's an open source core. For every guy out there trying to write a virus there are 100 guys looking for and fixing the vulnerabilities. There are holes but they get identified and plugged before anyone has had a chance to exploit them.

Someone wlll get one past, it's inevitable.

But till then i'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Scott

Back to the original poster -

One thing I forgot to mention is that Apple has good support. If you have a problem with your Mac, you can simply bring it to the Genius Bar in the local Apple Store. Make an appointment online. They either fix it there or have it fixed at Apple's repair facility, and you can either pick it up or it will be delivered to your home/office.

Not necessarily free, little things are usually free and bigger things depend on if you bought AppleCare. But it is a lot more convenient than sitting on hold, talking to a first-level PC tech support automaton, and then rummaging around your house for a box to pack and ship the PC in.

typical pc support guy...with zero clue about actually *using* a computer.

Tell me how you use photoshop for your home movies?

Or perhaps how Photoshop is the application of choice for the typical home user?
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I'm sorry Nostatic. Perhaps you missed in the flurry of posts that I was doing Mac Support. So no, not really a "typical pc support guy"

So, as you most likely do know more about home movies, please tell me, there is no way at all to make a Home Movie on a PC? For sure? Not even with say, Windows Movie Maker 2? A program that all of 1/2 a minute of search on the web found for me?

I have never made a movie on my PC. But if I decided I needed to, I'm pretty sure my PC can handle the task.

Just get a Mac. Once you open the box you'll realize you made the right choice: no viruses, no bull****, just great running apps that only seem to get more and more useful the more you use them.

I constantly find myself going "I wonder if it can do this"? I poke around a bit, and sure enough it does it and more. Its been like that 3 years now and theres no sign of stopping. Things may look a little bare bones, a little bit too cute to be useful, but every app on the system is there for a reason and a purpose which it will perform without flaw or failure. Truely, the Windows world does not know what its missing.

The support issue has long been crystal clear. This is from a report pre-OSX -- back when Macs occasionally crashed. The differential has been there for a long, long time.

From a GISTICS report that analyzes using a Mac in a large organization:

"Mac-using professionals spent far more hours per week -- 19 vs. 13 -- in actual, billable authoring time; Windows users spent more of their time tied up in such activities as training, support, data communications and file management." and "Mac-using creative professionals produce $26,441 more in annual revenue and $14,488 more in net profit for their employers than Windows users of comparable skill engaged in similar work. New Power Macs pay for themselves in four and a half months, on average, compared with about 13 months for Windows NT systems. And over three years, Power Macs generate more than a sevenfold ROI; for NT, the return is barely double."

ok, I'll amend to typical support guy who doesn't create anything on their computer.

MovieMaker. Right. You haven't used it obviously. It is even a joke up in Redmond. You ask some of the MS guys who are here.

The bottom line is that for the typical consumer who wants to manage their digital photos, movies, music, etc, the iApps are far and away the best choice.

If you want to play games, PC is the best choice. I have a PC setup for soley that.

If you want to do word processing and surf the web, a push. XP is miles better than previous windows OSs wrt ease of use and how often it breaks, but for the typical user, the Mac OS is still easier and requires less configuration/tweaking. And at this point in time, you don't have to worry about viruses and spyware/malware. On the PC it is constant threat. Yes there are programs to combat it, but that is yet another layer of crap that you have to deal with.

And I used to support both windoze and mac labs, so I'm not just a content creator (win2K and os8/9/x).

Man, I remember the days of running anti-virus software, what a task that was. That and reformatting drives, desegmentations, trying to remove old apps that just won't let go. What a mess that OS is, a jungle of unknown files, strange extensions, misbehaving applications, pure anarchy.

I would say that the iWork apps are much much better than anything on the Windows side, so Mac has them beat on the "word processing" front as well. "Pages" is just plain awesome. http://www.apple.com/iwork/pages/

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