It is the laugh of the blissfully ignorant, then. There is no *absolute* scientific expertise, so yours is a straw man argument. I suspect you knew that already.

Whenever one of these anti-evolution threads come up, I simply have one challenge to pose:

If you think the theory of evolution is so obviously flawed, then prove it wrong. It must be easy, right? Knock yourself out.

If you can't, then stop throwing stones. It is easy to criticize things you don't know about (that applies to Mul in these threads). If you have a genuine challenge to the theory of evolution, bring it on. I'm sure modern science would love to re-write the textbooks based on your brilliant observations.

Mike

The Catholic Church also believes in a burning hell for the wicked, the trinity, infant baptism, a clergy class, Mary was a virgin her whole life, etc...

What do you expect?


KT

At least some of us are trying to use the brains God gave us instead of throwing up our hands and letting the JW's tell us how to think.

And of course those of us that are in the scientific biz understand that there are no absolutes and I have no super-knowledge. There are simply theories that data either supports or disproves. And that body of knowledge changes daily. Funny thing about exercising and expanding your mind...you become open to all sorts of options. And become a lot less vested in a particular "truth."

Careful with that assumption, Eugene...

Apologies to Syd.

I've heard this "straw man" thing here off and on. What is that?


Bottom line is: nothing comes about by chance.

Certainly not life and the single most complicated item known to man. The brain.

Just say you don't believe in God and be done with it.

KT

To the best of my knowledge, the super-scientsts are only good at one thing: killing people.

They know weapons, I give you that.

People are running around in circles... without a clue.


KT

You assume that the "links" do not evolve themselves. But they do, in random and unpredictable directions. So what became of the proto-sapiens? They vanished or evolved into something entirely different.

Remember, using bacteria with a 30 minute generation time evolution is a demonstrable fact. How it applies to the origin of our species and others is the question we may speculate about. You want to deny evolution itself? You are sadly late to the party.

Then I assume you never took any medication, used a computer, drove a car...common boy... the internet you are using right now wasn`t a creation from God, you saw it be created. Idiotic statements like yours do not help your cause at all. Instead, try to answer the following question: How do you reconcile the findings of science, such as for instance, the fact that the world is more than 5000 years old, and the Bible teachings? I give you a clue: I am a scientist, and I beleive in God. So it can be done. Now, you tell me how.

Aurel

There is a huge differance between creationism and belief in creation.

Creationism will tell you the earth and everything you see on it was created in 7 days. Total falsehood.

That is not what the bible teaches.
the term "day" is not limited to a 24 hour "man" day.

"common boy"?
Is that what scientists call all the disposable people of the earth you smarties like to experiment on?

Bring in some more "common boys"...


Killing me...:p


KT

Sounds like a VERY nervous person to me.

I apologize for saying scientists only produce death. That wasn't fair.

However I will stand firm in stating that nearly every modern "convenience " we enjoy had it's beggining with a military application.


KT

Nope, I'm not nervous at all.

I know what's coming next.


KT

You are to me a like a little boy who does not know much and constantly needs to seek the support of his daddy that he calls God. This God is my daddy as well, and that makes you my brother. But, like a little brother, you still have to go to school and keep learning before you may participate in adult discussions. ;)

Aurel

Why on earth are we discussing this again? There was a thread on this EXACT TOPIC less than a month ago....

I'm sitting this one out, I have no desire to rehash all the arguments we just had a month ago.

That's goddamn right; it was Al Gore.

Matthew 18:3- “Truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU turn around and become as young children, YOU will by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens. "


KT

True enough...

However I must point out that most of the political threads are the same thing over and over.

Just replace who's against who and come to no solution to your arguements...Same story for 1000's of years.

What's it going to take?


KT

Knowledge without thought is labor lost.
Thought without knowledge is perilous.

-Confucious.

From what I've seen, science doesn't give "we don't know" answers.
They would lose face and credibility.

They will always give an answer ( with authority ). Then change it as required.

Why do we die? "we don't know"
How does the brain work? "we don't know"
Where did we come from? "we don't know"

Of course they have "the answers"...


KT

Thanks to Nostatic and Snowman for being thought-provoking instead of incendiary.

Still wandering in the desert Moses?

Science only tells us HOW things work, NOT WHY things work.

You would think so wouldn't you?...but wait, they have a concocted explanation for this inconvenient fact!

From Craig's List

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian

I would expect ignorance from craigslist...a whole lot of it.

Silly fundamentalist!

The craigs list offering drips with Christian hate and outright intolerance...How much you wanna bet that the pen that scribbled it has also penned apologias aplenty in defense of Islam?

I am not a christian fundamentalist, but I take offense at the total lack of respect for other people that the poster of this list shows.

Hate, intolerance, lack of respect, typical of many homos and athiests. Everything they claim to be offended by, they are even more guilty of, thats a total lack of respect for others.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. :D :D :D

Small wonder they can not come to an agreement in Iraq or Palestine when this web topic is capable of stirring up so much aggravation.

At least you can spell 'atheists' correctly. :rolleyes:

Mike

I can tell this is going to get rowdy...


KT

Baby Jesus is crying now.

Thanks Nader, only two more spots to go and my ignore list will be full :D SmileWavy

Hey Fundies: care to address any specific points in the list, or are ad-hominem attacks against those who wrote and posted the list the limit of your repertoire?

Interesting how you think you will get intelligent discussion by calling out the "fundies"...

:rolleyes:

Hope you guys are enjoying your Christian bashing again...gotta get it in at least once a month, right?

I thought this was interesting:

fundamentalists-Wikipedia

Looks like it has many, many possible meanings.

I thought the posted list was off topic babble, anyway.

Something we're all guilty of from time to time...


KT

You're right - those are mutally exclusive concepts.

Anyone seen The Simpsons last night?

I'll be back in a couple of hours...Post something good.

I'm ready.


KT

I am a "fundi" and cannto prove to you any more that creation is a fact that you can prove evolution is a fact.

I can only look around, see the planet I live on, the trees, leaves, plants, animals, the way our planet is tilted on its axis and it relation to the sun, the moon for tides the "fact" that no life has benn discovered on ANY other planet. I see my sons who were formed inside my wife their respective births their growing. I see how my body heals itself then suddenly begins to stop this process and I break down. I visit all kinds of places and marvel at their beauty.

I cannot prove to you this was created. I cannot prove it happened when a rocke banged into another and a lightning struck a perfect spot in a waters slime that had a protien in it at the right moment and caused a cell to appear then grow to eventually become an ancestor of mine.

I cannot prove anything unless you want to learn what I learned. Most do not want to. I know I do not want to hear what a person calling me names knows. So why would either of us bother.