KT wrote:
Why do you put so much "faith" in your "peer review"?
We're all just men right?

Since, by your own admission KT, you have no experience with this process, it is not surprising that you would have this question. You need to do some research into the scienctific method, before you dismiss it.

I think you are confusing me with someone else.

I'm asking you why you need the approval of your peers, fellow scientists, to feel good about what you believe today?


KT

I like science. I like learning.

I don't like it when people tell me they know more than God himself.

I find it interesting that people will spit out 4.4 million years this and 10,000 years that and yet you can't *prove* any of that.

You are what, 50? I'm 38 and the oldest man is 100 or so?

No one was there. Faith is required to believe anything.

Seriously, trying to date specimens accurately is just guessing.
You can *never* prove the age of an item. Just guessing.


KT

Why do you *always* think you know so much about me?
All you know about me is what I have posted.

The scientific method is no secret.

You keep saying I should do "this" and stop doing "that".
And I'm wrong and lie and spread evil.

Let me guess, we should all buy your book and become you?
Do you really think that highly of yourself or am I misunderstanding you completely?


KT

THe more you actually know, the more you know that you don't know.
RPKESQ Based on all of your posts, and nothing else, I am willing to bet that I can state your age within 4 or 5 years. I am going to say 23. A range of 18 to 28, but more likely closer to 18.

How did I do?

There is the possibility that I am way off, but I doubt it, why?

I doubt it because people mature at certain rates, they all go thru the same kind of thought processes at certain ages. Like you can pretty well guess what a 7 year old would say to certain questions or a 12 or an 18 year old. 18 is the most dangerous age. Its when you KNOW all the answers and everyone else is an idiot. There is science behind this as well, but an 18 year old couldn't comprehend the question, let alone the answer. Theres a reason that no one under the age of 35 can become president. An eighteen year old, or for that matter a 12 year old can do differential equations, but they cannot comprehend certain things until they grow older. Some might, but most will not.

Thats quite true.

And the easy, nay , lazy, answer for all that we dont know, is that there must ofcourse exist an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent god.

The difference between the faith based and the reality based mindset.

Actually the omniscient, omnipotent god is several steps beyond the easy answer. Its a first answer, followed by a bunch of so called science based answers, followed by looking at the same answer again and realizing it might be the real answer after all. At least that’s what some of the most outstanding intellects of all time have found. You really do have go to the mountain top to contemplate the answers. Only the people who have dedicated their entire life to answer this question are closer to the real answer than most of us mortals. We kind of have to take their word for some things, otherwise we must dedicate our entire life to search for the truth. I doubt most have the time, money or dedication to pursue the real truth.

Ehhhh, Snowman. If I were you I wouldn't try to make my living guessing ages in carnivals and county fairs. Many of the posters on this thread (by chance) have listed short Bio's over on this thread. You weren't even in the ball park.

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Neither of these statements is true. I challenge you to back them both up with scientific evidence. Please produce some evidence that evolution is not proven and that carbon dating is unreliable.

Evolution is accepted as fact in the scientific community. Carbon dating is also considered reliable. I’m aware that creationists often claim that carbon dating is not reliable. Are you aware that it is not the only dating technique that’s used? Here is a web site that shows 21 different dating techniques. What is really interesting is that when they use multiple dating techniques on the same object, they all agree. If carbon dating didn’t agree with the other methods, we could call it unreliable, but that is not the case.

Open your mind a little bit. Can’t you see that evolution and the bible are not contradictory? Can’t you see that many of the stories in the bible are not meant to be taken literally, like Genesis, the ark, the apple tree in the Garden of Eden, etc? Can’t you see that they are just metaphors, a way of telling a story, of getting a message across? What makes you think the bible is to be taken 100% literally? Can’t you see that not taking these stories literally is not “religion bashing” or diminishes your faith in any way? In fact, you could consider the bible to be 100% metaphor, even including the resurrection, and it still would not take any meaning away nor diminish your faith.

Snowman, again you prove how narrow-minded YOU are. Many people think wisdom goes along with age. Obviously, you are one of them. I have found with an open mind there is wisdom to be found in all ages.

Yeah, but it isn't accepted by the certain religious groups, so it really doesn't matter. Science doesn't matter. They don't care. It doesn't fit with the world view that they have constructed. What fascinates me is how so many Christian sects have managed to "mold" the bible into what *they* want. No matter what they say, each various group has chosed to emphasize certain parts of the text, and ignore others. I don't have a problem with that (AA says, "take what works and leave the rest"), but I just wish they'd admit that to be the case instead of insisting that they are the only ones that get it right and there is no ambiguity.

Nostatic, you got it right. It is this bizarre ability to believe that their interpetation is the only correct one that creates the hosltilities, hatred and bigotry. I do not condemn anyone for having faith in something. I only condemn their efforts to label as fact what is just (unsupportable)opinion.

I didn't know that KT was a JW. What a shocker. Good segue... Years ago, a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses came to my house and ended up giving me a pamphlet on how "incorrect" the theory of evolution was. It was full of all the usual stuff - fish turning into men, etc. I didn't know much about evolution at the time, but they seemed to have pretty strong evidence that the whole thing was crap.

But...instead of simply believing what was written in their booklet, I decided to learn more about the theory and make a decision for myself. What I learned was that evolution is a fact. Either that or god has placed evidence of evolution all around us to fool us into thinking that it is a fact. Take your pick - I can't tell the difference.

So, thanks to the Jehovah's Witnesses, I now fully accept the theory of evolution.

A good Stephen Hawking quote:

“We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.”

Mike

Trekkor, take note of Mike’s post. Mike, like most of us, was able to “fend off” the approach by these cultists. You, on the other hand, took their bait, hook, line and sinker. Jehovah’s Witnesses is a cult, plain and simple, like Jimmy Jones or David Koresh or Scientology. You have been brainwashed into their way of thinking. While this might meet some of your needs in the short term, in the long run it will only harm you. I urge you to take a step back and really re-think where you are with these people. I say this, not to pull you away from religion, or your belief in god, or to ridicule you. I say this to help you.

Find an alternative...You won't.
Show me a people who are more honest and law abiding.
A people who will volunteer there time on behalf of others.
Find a people who are more united in purpose.

Sure you can find people who refuse to live by God's law because they would rather do their own thing.

I've been doing this for 20 years and I'm not about to stop because some internet charactors say so.


Don't turn this thread into an apostate parade of weblinks and the like.


KT

We all get to make our choices in life.

I won't try to force you to do or believe anything.
I'll present information directly from the bible and you can do as you please.


KT

So, Trekkor, how much money do you give the JWs every week? Don`t you wish you had saved all that money, saved yourself the brainwashing and bought a shiny 911 instead of that 914?

Aurel

I'll I'm asking is for you to really think about the choice you've made for yourself. Take a step back and re-analyze all of your base assumtions. I do this all the time. I don't see how asking you to do it is forcing you to believe anything.

Friends, Mormons would say the same thing.

Those are all fine and good qualities, but nothing in them means you ignore science. What if it was a tenet of JW that the sun revolved around the earth? You wouldn't question that?

Yes you will, if you take the God/Jehovah part out. You believe that is central, others don't. I'll settle for good acts no matter what the belief system.

Interesting that the word "apostate" came up. Evidently that is drilled into JW thinking from day one. It's a Pavlovian response. Behavioral conditioning in action. See, even the psuedosciences like psychology work.