The American way is the Christian way. From the Salvation Army, to the YMCA, to the Red Cross, to the American education system, to the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, to America herself, all good has come from Christianity in this country...It was not the atheists and Islamics and liberals amassing monies to help out in New Orleans, after Katrina, it was 99% Christians...The best liberals and atheists can do is attempt to hijack the good Christianity has done and act like they had something to do with it.

And further proof it's a 'she'

Ya, please keep your hate speech focused at Bush, Republicans and all things Christian...or they will key your car.

Not random chance. But they are precisley examples of evolution. Their beauty, or the perception of it, improves the chance they will successfully breed, and thus the continuation of their genes.

Top of the class, Mul.

proof of life elswhere in the Universe will rock the organized religious world imo.

Meanwhile it was Christian churches that spread Tom Paine's rebellion philosophy and Christianity has become the unifing moral code of our economy. Maybe it's because the Vatican is the greatest political organization the world has ever seen with it's central philosophical core. Every Moslem sect has its own twist on its philosophy. Kinda like a war waiting to happen if not against a common enemy than among themselves.

One's God "truth" belongs to one's own. Different strokes for different folks.

If a UFO ever lands here and takes a good look around the first communication will be "Where the hell is the manager of this place?"

when they can read DNA [soon] they will be able to
say what evolved into what when
there by ending this debate
so the christian fairytale belivers have limited time to act
as they will soon be proved WRONG and darwin correct

but the real big deal is not belife in christian fairytales
but the forced teaching of those fairytales in public schools
the christianrightwing nuts are not content to be allowed
to have their misguided belifes but feel compelled to use the state schools to force their fairytales on everyone
before the DNA info ends their chance

Focus!!

The scientific theories keep getting replaced by "more correct" theories.
Why can't they just say we don't know. Be honest.

They don't.

Where are all the animals becoming new animals and mutants?
( or the evidence of them )

They should be easy to spot.


KT

Nope. Just because "some guy" says he can interpret DNA doesn't mean we all just bow down and believe that.

People have a hard time with faith, yet they put "full confidence" in the scientists that they are *always* right. Weird, huh?

They'll just make up whatever they please and then replace that with whatever they want to fit their "theory".

The usual...


KT

You're right, KT, we don't know everything. That's why theories change as we figure more things out. You seem to have a problem with this? I see it as a virtue of the scientific method.

You, like many others, display very little understanding of evolutionary theory. "New" animals are evolving all the time - the process is just so slow that it is generally not detectable. You didn't read Moses' post regarding e. coli, though, did you? That is an example of new species being created right in front of our eyes through the process of evolution. Why do you ignore information that contradicts your statements? We know the age of the Earth. Why do you ignore that information?

I, for one, do not see (or use) the theory of evolution as a vehicle to prove or disprove god. It's just a scientific theory, folks. It's like saying the the theory of plate tectonics disproves god because humans used to think that god(s) created earthquakes. It's silly and just demonstrates that you are either ignorant of what the theory itself actually says or your faith is so weak that you see everything as an attack (i.e. Christian bashing).

The theory of evolution says nothing about the origins of life or about the existence of a creator. Many Christians (including the Catholic church) fully accept and support the theory. If anyone feels threatened by the theory, then I suggest you look inward and not blame the evilutionists...

Mike

I have learned that my prayers only get answered if I
forward an email to seven of my friends and make a wish within five minutes.

You lost me on that. Where does it say in the Bible that we were God's only creations in the Universe? If life showed up from somewhere else in the Universe, which verses would it contradict?

That being said, the "elephant in the room" in the random-evolution-causes-life-to-pop-up-all-over-the-place theory is the fact that we have yet to find any evidence of life (let alone "higher life forms" beyond our solor system). If they're that common and life is so inevitable -- where is everyone?

But it's certainly worthwhile to keep looking (Go SETI-Online!)

Actually it foesnt say it in so many words but the whole theme of the bible would be useless if there was intelligent life on another planet.

How would "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" be useless if there were intelligent life on another planet???

Sorry about the mispellings. I am a land surveyor and we are not suppsed to be able to speel. Its the sign of a good surveyor.

I use firefox and speel chick does not work with that browser.

I am bowing out of this debate. Obviously when I make a very valid point it is indicated I am just plain stupid and cannot have an opinion in my uneducated mind that is valid.

I have gotten through life on common sense. I have no real formal education. I have no business degree yet I own a very successful businss run on my instincts. Hell, I am not educated past high school my parents could not afford to put me through college. Once I started working in the real world to save to go to college I decided not to bother. I have never regretted it.

I think my point has been perfectly made. I have stood in Chichén Itzá during the fall equinox. Any idea what happens there during the exact moment of the equinox? These people were not stupid, they were very advanced. Their civilization disappeared 1100 years ago and scientists are totally baffled as to why. This was ONLY 1100 years ago!! Thery cannot even find their buried dead and have no idea what they did with them.

You are trying to tell me scientists know for a fact what was going on 100 million years ago when they cannot figure out what happened 1100 years ago? I say Bull my instincts say BULL!! Its all guessing beeing masked as intelligence and education and when contested the contestor is being dismissed as a stupid, uneducated fundamentalist who's opinion is not valid.

I refer to you to my 1st post in this thread. We are right back where we started.

Thats not the overall theme of the bible. The issue of god universal sovereignty is being challenged by satan. If there was life on another planet this would not be an issue. Satan would have been wiped out and god would have started over with his original plan.

If there is life on another planet, and it becomes known here on earth and proved, (I have said this twice now) I will throw out my bible and become an atheist.

I have been to Chichen Itza also. Climbed half way up and then freaked out and came back down. :>) They told us during the tour that everyone left due to a period of severe droughts.

Something that happened yesterday can be baffling if there is not enough evidence to discern what happened. Something that happened 10000 years ago can be well understood if there is ample evidence. Take the age of the Earth, for instance. There is substantial evidence to make a pretty good determination of the age of the Earth. Not that big of a deal.

Mike

I'm not sure if the Bible should merely be considered a battle report. Matthew records the following exchange when Jesus was asked to summarize the Bible (as of that point in time):
If you are a Christian, that is pretty authoritative. If you are not, it's at least a sicinct summary of the Bible to that time by a widely acknowledged expert. Jesus also is quoted with a further elaboration on this in John 3

My only point in quoting chapter and verse is that no where does it say anything about extraterrestial alians. Silence is silence. If it is silent, you can not say that the existance of ET's proves or dis-proves the Bible, because the Bible does not say anything about ET's. When asked to explain the Jewish Bible (aka: "Old Testement") Jesus doesn't talk about any struggle between good evil, and he does't talk about alians. When asked to explain his teachings, once again ET's and battles don't enter the discussion. So to make ET's a Bible versus athiest argment doesn't stand up. It's an argument, but hardly biblical.

When it comes to the mechanics life on this planet, once again the Bible is largely silent. A person who reads Genesis and claims to know exactly how God created the universe makes about as much sense as my 6 or 9 year old daughters reading the driver's manual of my 911, and then proclaiming that they know exactly how the car functions. So while some would proclaim that evolution absoluting invalidates the Bible, and others claim the opposite. I'd argue that both views are pretty dramatic cases of hubris on the part of the person taking that position.

You know something? I don't care really if I was Created or if I Evolved. I'm here, you're all here, we have fast machines, pretty women, beautiful mountains, oceans, lakes and good food. I really don't need to know the truth behind it all. I'm good as is!

bye!

Jesus role in the outworking of God's will is important.
The guidelines he shared by his actions are key to peace.

However, the kingdom he taught his followers to pray for ( matt 6:9,10 ) is the theme of the Bible. The government of God will prove forever the he is the Universal Sovereign.

Science is hit and miss, trial and error.
I read the E. Coli lab test. I think were talking about modified immunity, not evolution. People do that too, but you'll notice that their children still need vaccination shots. It doesn't pass on to offspring.

Jim, don't let Sir RPKESQ bother you.
He's always been rude and insulting to me, too.
It always come down to logic, sense and higher education with him.

Science does not satisfy a spiritual need or give solutions for man's problems.

Creation allows for variation within species . Dogs, cats, birds...Races of people. That's not evolution.

As to the age of the earth...What "accurate" age determining method are they using now?

Do we have to show why carbon dating is flawed?
Guesses aren't facts. Why do they always give these great big round numbers, BTW? 65,000,000 year ago... 350 Billion years.

What if it was 250 Billion? Ahh, what's another 100 billion among friends?
( sarcasm alert )

KT