USG military slavery update

[fastpat]

Exercising it's hidden option of recall within 8 years of initial service, the US Army is dragooning former soldiers who've been out of uniform for over two years.

They're getting more and more desparate to keep people in the military against their will.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060819/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_back_in_uniform

[azasadny]

That's been going on awhile. When i was in the USN, you signed up for "4+2", which meant 4 years active duty and 2 years reserve duty. If you did more than 4 years active duty, it counted towards your 6 year total commitment. I put in all of my time on active duty, but I knew many others who did their 4 years, then got out and didn't think the govt was seroius about the additional 2 years. Well, the govt gets their poiund of flesh, but these people (just like me) signed their name on the dotted line of their own accord and free will...

[FrayAdjacent911]

Dragooning?

Wasn't it part of the contract that military personnel consented to upon entering? They do their time, do some reserve time, with the possibility of being called up again. In return they get some pretty good benefits, college money, stuff like that.

Don't tell me they didn't know it going into it.

Just like those whiney ass kids to joined the reserve for college money, then got sent to Iraq, *****ing about having to do what they signed up to do.

[kach22i]

Selling your body does not always work out as planned.

A salute to those who do it though.

[2.7RACER]

It's ok if someone else is kept in longer than originally planned so the rest of our nation can go on with their normal lives.
I mean after all it's just a TV war. Something like a video game.
Start up the draft and see how much support our foriegn policy really has.

[jdm61]

3 words "all volunteer military"
5 more words "read what you are signing"
I love how a select few alleged soldiers and their parents whine about how they thought it was merely a "college scholarship plan" every time they get deployed.......lol

[jdm61]

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
As we now know, Pat doesn't agree that individuals can or should be held responsible for their own personal decisions or the exercise of their free will.

So, while you and this soldier from the article feel one way:

"Well, I signed up. I signed the papers. So you know what? I got to do what I got to do," Breaux said, before getting ready for a reconnaissance patrol around Camp Anaconda."

it's not the way Pat feels.

So, with that in mind, the application of Pat's philosophy to this situation leads to an entirely predictable result. Instead of viewing this as fulfilling a clear contractual obligation, Pat views it as "slavery." These people are victims of their inability to make personal decisions for themselves or being required to live with the consequences of their exercise of free will and personal choice.

Should we hold Pat responsible for his opinions and leave him dangling from the tree of shame up at the Dragon in November? lol

[fastpat]

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
As we now know, Pat doesn't agree that individuals can or should be held responsible for their own personal decisions or the exercise of their free will.

First, you know nothing of the sort. You've been convinced by your own lack of philosophical understanding.

The recall to service is supposed to be involked ONLY during a national emergency, i.e. if America is under invasion of threat of imminent invasion. Not to carry out a bogus foreign policy of a deranged president when he runs out of troops with which to play the game.

You'd do well to learn a great deal more about the dangerous government you are so quick to relieve of any responsibility for its' actions.

[Rot 911]

Pat aren't you drawing military retirement? How come you don't give all that blood money away?

[Flatbutt1]

Well it is up to the feds to declare a national emergency. So they can and WILL do whatever they deem necessary. Back in the day , during officially declared war, it was called being retained for the duration. This happened to my Dad after Pearl Harbor. His voluntary enlistment(2 years) was due to finish within 4 months of the attack but he was kept involuntarily for the duration of the war.

Military service is honorable but a very tough life. C'mon Pat, you served, you know that your life is not your own while under contract.

[cantdrv55]

Hey FastPat, I'm with SoCal. Please show proof that the military can only recall you during times of extreme emergency as you stated above.

I was 17 when I enlisted in the USAF and I was under the impression that after my fours years of service, I could be recalled for two more if we were at war not just if we are being invaded. I served my four years, got the heck out and hoped we would not be going to war during my last two years. The military just wasn't for me but I wouldn't trade the experience and honor for anything.

[Moses]

From About.com;

Enlistment Periods. Thought you were enlisting for four years? Think again. It may surprise you to learn that ALL non-prior service enlistments in the United States Military incurs a total eight year service obligation. Yep. When you sign that enlistment contract, you are obligating yourself to the military for a total of eight years. Whatever time is not spent on active duty, or in the active Guard/Reserves (if you enlisted in the Guard/Reserves) must be spent in the inactive reserves.

Paragraph 10a of the enlistment contract states:

a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must serve a total of eight (8) years. Any part of that service not served on active duty must be served in a Reserve Component unless I am sooner discharged.

This means two things: Let's say you enlist in the Navy for four years. You serve your four years and get out. You're really not "out." You're transfered to the INACTIVE Reserves (called the "IRR" or "Individual Ready Reserve") for the next four years, and the Navy can call you back to active duty at anytime, or even involuntarily assign you to an active (drilling) Reserve unit during that period, if they need you due to personnel shortages, war, or conflicts (such as Iraq). This total 8 year service commitment applies whether you enlist on active duty, or join the Reserves or National Guard.

[Rodeo]

The more important point here is the severe hurt this occupation has put on America's military readiness, as evidenced by these call-backs.

This fool of a president has made America as militarily and diplomatically weak as it has been in my lifetime, and at the same time Mr. Bush has estranged us from our traditional NATO allies. We are not only stretched to the breaking point, we are virtually alone.

And for the trifecta of stupidity, the Iraq invasion coupled with our lack of any coherent energy policy have poured billions into the coffers of terrorist states.

Iran rests its Army and spends billions on weapons development while we drain our treasury and send men and women back to Iraq for third and fourth tours.

Stay the course my a$$.

[Moses]

Here's the actual enlistment contract for ALL U.S. military. It's DD 4/1

Pretty clear about term of service.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

[Moses]

Originally posted by Rodeo
The more important point here is the severe hurt this occupation has put on America's military readiness, as evidenced by these call-backs.

This fool of a president has made America as militarily and diplomatically weak as it has been in my lifetime, and at the same time Mr. Bush has estranged us from our traditional NATO allies. We are not only stretched to the breaking point, we are virtually alone.

And for the trifecta of stupidity, the Iraq invasion coupled with our lack of any coherent energy policy have poured billions into the coffers of terrorist states.

Iran rests its Army and spends billions on weapons development while we drain our treasury and send men and women back to Iraq for third and fourth tours.

Stay the course my a$$.

Well said.

[Nathans_Dad]

Moses is dead on about the 8 year total service committment. I am waiting to see if I will owe any inactive reserve time right now.

Again though, that is clearly stated in the contract that you sign with Uncle Sam. I just don't get how people think that someone holding you to a legal document that YOU SIGNED is unfair in some way.

Would any of us feel sorry for a 20 year old kid who signed a lease on a car and then is complaining because there is a balloon payment at the end? He THOUGHT he was buying the car for cheap and didn't read the whole contract. Poor kid, we should just give him the car, right?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Moses is dead on about the 8 year total service committment. I am waiting to see if I will owe any inactive reserve time right now.

Again though, that is clearly stated in the contract that you sign with Uncle Sam. I just don't get how people think that someone holding you to a legal document that YOU SIGNED is unfair in some way.

Would any of us feel sorry for a 20 year old kid who signed a lease on a car and then is complaining because there is a balloon payment at the end? He THOUGHT he was buying the car for cheap and didn't read the whole contract. Poor kid, we should just give him the car, right?

No.

Leaving military service if you decide, based on experience with it, that it's not for you (for any reason) lands you in jail if caught. Abandoning a lease leaves you on foot, or at the worst on foot and owing money. Hardly in the same category.

And yes, as I stated initially, it is an 8 year hidden obligation. If you serve three years on active duty, you're strongly encouraged to participate in active reserve status with the Army Reserve or Army National Guard and after that adds up to six years you may be placed into the individual ready reserve (IRR). That means that the vaunted "all volunteer force" is in actualy fact a non-volunteer force by contract. It is in fact prohibited by the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, but the courts won't enforce that Amendment.

[ruf-porsche]

Originally posted by kach22i
Selling your body does not always work out as planned.

A salute to those who do it though.

Yeah ask any street walker.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
They didn't know what they were signing up for!

Could be true for some of them.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by ruf-porsche
Yeah ask any street walker.

A street walker is a honest profession.