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Usmellgass2? 09-09-2006 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Usmellgass2?
We can keep John Kerry's service record out of scrutiny here and just call him a War Hero. I am sure he and his supporters would like to have it no other way. But I will point out that after he came home, as he traveled with Jane Fonda, routinely and as publicly as possible accused US forces, including members of his own unit, of repeated atrocity's. As witnessed by his own eyes. But when the Navy called a board of inquiry to examine these accusations, he refused to testify. Whether the ex naval vessel commander was lying to start with, or decided to with hold evidence of these crimes, he made his own bed. It is not one that I would call a Hero's. I point this out because I believe that it is an example of how the man operates.

fintstone 09-09-2006 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by jyl
Lot of cutting and pasting going on here.
So that is a cop out that means you cannot rebut the President's speech?

fintstone 09-09-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
How exactly did Kerry or anyone else "aid the enemy"? By using one too many bullets in killing enemy soldiers? Perhaps it was by going after several enemy soldiers single-handedly instead of waiting for backup and risking them getting away. . .

You probably mean that because they second-guess the orders they followed to the letters after having time for common sense to trickle into their grey matter against the wall of brainwashing built up in training. This is somehow treasonous? Oh please - that's rich. :rolleyes: Want to know how to tell a veteran from a recruit? The recruits parrot the brainwashing they've received in basic about how great it'd be to go "into action" and are generally gung-ho about the missions, the orders, the weaponry and equipment, etc. The veterans are far more reserved since they know the reality and the truth of what warfare is. Those still in service try to get through it with their heads still attached to their bodies and those out of service generally seem to express reluctance to discuss their service - if not outright dismay over it. Why do you think that is? 'cause war is so great?

Constantly questioning the legitimacy and authority of our government and holding it accountable for tyrannical actions is a patriotic duty - not a treasonous act. It's a responsibility we are charged with as citizens of this nation - directly from the founding fathers themselves.

I'll bet they'd be horribly ashamed of what the U.S. government has come to mean, be and stand for. . .

Simple soldiers meeting with the enemy and spreading untrue enemy propaganda would be enough for this veteran and most others... to call someone a traitor. A military officer "publicly "questioning the legitimacy and authority of our government " as you describe should have landed him in the brig as well.

fastpat 09-09-2006 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone
By imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors *propaganda snipped*

Thank you very much. "

When you quote someone please attribute the quote, otherwise it's plagiarism.

fintstone 09-09-2006 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
When you quote someone please attribute the quote, otherwise it's plagiarism.
So
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Originally posted by fintstone
... also let me remind you of what our Preesident said (he is much more eloquent than I am).
...

at the start of the quote and the quotation marks were not sufficient for you?

fintstone 09-09-2006 02:07 PM

I particularly liked this part of the President’s speech I posted in its entirety earlier:

“Now, let me say to all of you here as all of you know the weightiest decision any president ever has to make is to send our troops into harm's way. And force can never be the first answer. But sometimes, it's the only answer.

You are the best prepared, best equipped, best trained fighting force in the world. And should it prove necessary for me to exercise the option of force, your commanders will do everything they can to protect the safety of all the men and women under their command.

No military action, however, is risk-free. I know that the people we may call upon in uniform are ready. The American people have to be ready as well.”

And this:

“Saddam Hussein's Iraq reminds us of what we learned in the 20th century and warns us of what we must know about the 21st. In this century, we learned through harsh experience that the only answer to aggression and illegal behavior is firmness, determination, and when necessary action.

In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program.

But if we act as one, we can safeguard our interests and send a clear message to every would-be tyrant and terrorist that the international community does have the wisdom and the will and the way to protect peace and security in a new era. That is the future I ask you all to imagine. That is the future I ask our allies to imagine.”

How could anyone disagree with such wisdom?

fastpat 09-09-2006 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone
I particularly liked this part of the President’s speech I posted in its entirety earlier:
*propaganda snipped*

How could anyone disagree with such wisdom?

Pretty easily disagreed with, it's no more than infantile pap. That from a man with his finger on the trigger, means we Americans need to reduce government until it's rendered harmless.

fintstone 09-09-2006 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Pretty easily disagreed with, it's no more than infantile pap. That from a man with his finger on the trigger, means we Americans need to reduce government until it's rendered harmless.
Gee Pat, None of the other liberals seem to have a problem with the quotes.

fastpat 09-09-2006 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone
Gee Pat, None of the other liberals seem to have a problem with the quotes.
You've already stated you agree with the words, why describe your liberal leanings again? Feeling a need to be redundant?

Usmellgass2? 09-09-2006 08:19 PM

Cut and paste, quote ect, is a perfectly reasonable expedient to remind you of facts you would rather pretend do not exsist.

Your opinion is garbage under American philosophy. Remove yourself, go to some Asian or european country in which your philosopy is the law.

Only the ballsy dare.


The thread is about the lying Bush'ists and the lack of commited among them. Most are Chicken Hawks, as it well and truly proven.

Pretty easily disagreed with, it's no more than infantile pap. That from a man with his finger on the trigger, means we Americans need to reduce government until it's rendered harmless.


The above quotes are glaring examples of "infantile".
notice the " " I also specifically give you credit for the juvenile name calling.

snowman 09-09-2006 09:18 PM

Kerry, Clinton and the like are clearly traitors. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this is true. What is anusing is the lengths that like thinking traitors will go to to rationalize their statements.

A bullet to the back of the head tends to add a great deal of clarity to the thought process. Just ask Stalin.

RoninLB 09-09-2006 11:11 PM

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fastpat 09-10-2006 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
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Quoting the most egregious, murderous president in American history impresses no one.

snowman 09-10-2006 02:46 PM

Lincoln was correct on this one.

Usmellgass2? 09-10-2006 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Quoting impresses no one.
A little reality check; You speak for no one, except your self. Just like the rest of us do.

Cdnone1 09-10-2006 04:40 PM

Pat doesn't speak for himself, he speaks for Lew Rockwell.
Steve

RoninLB 09-10-2006 06:14 PM

Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claim an unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.

This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the US Air Force and the federal government. However, you may well NOT know that in the month of March, 1948, exactly nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.; Hillary Rodham; John F. Kerry; William Jefferson Clinton; Howard Dean; Nancy Pelosi; Dianne Feinstein; Charles E. Schumer; and Barbara Boxer were born.

That piece of information has now cleared up a lot of things.

fintstone 09-10-2006 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Quoting the most egregious, murderous president in American history impresses no one.
Hey! I thought that was who I was quoting. LOL.

Usmellgass2? 09-10-2006 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone



If we look at the past and imagine that future, we will act as one together. And we still have, God willing, a chance to find a diplomatic resolution to this, and if not, God willing, the chance to do the right thing for our children and grandchildren.

Thank you very much. "

Thanks for posting that speech, I think it was probably his best. I am surprised that nobody tryed to pick it apart or dismissed it as chest beating, drivel, babble, a lie, or what ever. Is it simply too accurate, factual, hawkish?

fastpat 09-11-2006 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by snowman
Lincoln was correct on this one.
No, speech is protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution, Lincoln broke the law (again).


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