Denis, intersting but coming from the It's-Bush's-Fault-LA Times nobody's going to give that one ANY credibilty :D

Luckily, we're arguing about how much the prices are DROPPING, not rising. Diesel has gone down 40 cents around here in the past few weeks. Over the past several years, I would say it has been about the same cost as premium gasoline. This year it has been about the same as regular gas. A month ago diesel was 10 cents cheaper than regular gasoline! Now we're about 10-15 cents higher than premium. Diesel is $2.69 here.

In other news, I'm considering obtaining an agricultural license and getting a 250 gallon tank for the house. Dyed off-road diesel isn't taxed and was only about $1.50 last time I checked! :cool:

Yea, but if you get busted using it for your pleasure driving, they'll come down hard on you, as I understand. I'm also waiting for diesel to come down too. My F350 PSD gets in the 14's around town and around 19 on the road unloaded. The problem is I do most of my driving at the 14 mpg level.

I'm shocked! Page 3 and no sign of fastpat with a cut and paste.

Remember the complaints a few weeks ago about hedge funds and Wall Street bidding up the price of oil and reaping billions?

Guess who is being raked over the coals as the price goes down...

That was Bush that destabilized the ME? You're confusing W with Moses Bush... about 3,000 years ago, when the ME was first destabilized and oil was selling for 2 talents/gourd.

Stability in the ME has always been a relative thing, not like stability in say, Norway. The region was far, far more stable w/ Saddam in power in Iraq. He was a horrible dictator, no argument, but his successful bluffing game w/ regards to weapons that he did not actually possess + his standing army kept a certain detente between Iraq and its neighbors and worked pretty well to keep the oil flowing out of the Persian Gulf.

Iraq has the world's 2nd largest known oil reserves, (after Saudi Arabia), oil production/exports from Iraq are down ~40% since pre-invasion. This is after 3.5 years of U.S. occupation, in which the security situation and terrorist problem has gotten steadily worse, never better. Between the production problems in Iraq and the fear in markets that ME violence will get worse, speculators have doubled the price of a barrel of oil. Combine that w/ a shrinking dollar that has less purchasing power for foreign goods, (like oil), all courtesy of the war deficit, and presto, you're ****ed! :)

FWIW, (or not), gas and diesel are still around $3.00 @ gallon in CA., the largest oil consuming state, that always votes Dem in presidential races. :rolleyes:

$2.73 for 87 on the way to work today.

Stability is bad for everyone except the dictators - Saddam, Moamar, Castro, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Stalin, Mao, Arafat... The only way these pricks ever give up power is destabilization. That's why these killers stay in power for 40 years - stability. The people they are enslaving are not better off and neither are we.

$2.13 in West Michigan, Bush better raise em soon or his oil buddies are gonna get pissed.

Checked the Shell on the corner this morning - $3.15 for 91 octane. IIRC 87 was $2.89.

Filled the Benz with 93 octane Premium for $2.36/gal tonight. $2.16 for 87 octane regular.

Gas went up $ .23 / gallon today in St. Louis to $2.29.

2.02 for 87 at the Safeway tonight. Sub $2 in nearby gainsville, va.