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legion 09-18-2006 05:49 AM

Stupid Executives
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_bi_ge/gm_ford

Have the lessons of HP/Compaq, Daimler-Chrysler, Compaq/DEC, the entire banking industry, etc. gone on deaf ears?

Merging two troubled companies does not make one strong company, it just doubles the number of problems (or maybe the problems have "synergy"...effectively tripling the number of problems). It's like two alcoholic codependents thinking that getting married and having kids will solve all of their problems...

widebody911 09-18-2006 06:00 AM

Re: Stupid Executives
 
Quote:

Originally posted by legion
Merging two troubled companies does not make one strong company,
Yes, but it makes for larger executive paychecks; all else is irrelevant.

techweenie 09-18-2006 06:40 AM

FWIW, in the tech industry, HP/Compaq is considered to have been a very smart move.

kaisen 09-18-2006 06:40 AM

We will more likely see an 'alliance' than a 'merger'. Sharing the little bits of a car that you don't see will have a positive financial effect, but won't dilute the brands.

widebody911 09-18-2006 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by techweenie
FWIW, in the tech industry, HP/Compaq is considered to have been a very smart move.
By whom?

legion 09-18-2006 07:28 AM

The Fiorina Fiasco a "very smart move"?

Par911 09-18-2006 07:46 AM

Re: Re: Stupid Executives
 
Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
Yes, but it makes for larger executive paychecks; all else is irrelevant.
Werd x 20,000,000

:mad:

techweenie 09-18-2006 08:23 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4988682.stm

legion 09-18-2006 08:27 AM

Yes, they cut payroll to make this quarters numbers. Short-term gain for long-term pain. I remember when Lucent started doing this 5 or 6 years ago...and it's worked so well for them.

Overpaid Slacker 09-18-2006 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by techweenie
FWIW, in the tech industry, HP/Compaq is considered to have been a very smart move.
Not in the I-banking industry... this was a case study at a seminar I went to that set forth, in excruciating detail, exactly how many things (all of them) had to go exactly how "right" (completely) in order to result in the synergies that were promised.

Certainly not that taking risks is "bad", but there wasn't enough realistic upside to be realized from taking the risk to make it worth taking.

"The only bad risk is the one you're not compensated for taking."

JP

BlueSkyJaunte 09-18-2006 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by techweenie
FWIW, in the tech industry, HP/Compaq is considered to have been a very smart move.
That depends on whether you're interested in good engineering, quality, reliability, security, and research and innovation--or good quarterly reports making jellybeans.

dd74 09-19-2006 05:28 PM

It didn't work for Time-Warner/AOL, i.e. the worst merger in the history of business.

legion 09-19-2006 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dd74
It didn't work for Time-Warner/AOL, i.e. the worst merger in the history of business.
That's another good one!

I'm convinced the only mergers that make sense are when two small or mid-size companies merge. When two behemouths merge, it usually takes years to sort out what really needs to happen, and by that time it's too late.

Case in point: Bank of America. They are still running the original software that each bank they bought up originally ran. Sure, they've put a screen-scraper front end on it so it looks the same, but it doesn't work.

It will be DECADES before the mega-banks are running one back-end software package....

ruf-porsche 09-19-2006 06:26 PM

Originally posted by techweenie
FWIW, in the tech industry, HP/Compaq is considered to have been a very smart move.
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Quote:

Originally posted by widebody911
By whom?
Dell

Porsche-O-Phile 09-19-2006 09:30 PM

If GM and Ford can individually lose billions of dollars, just THINK of how many TRILLIONS of dollars they could lose together! Sweet!

EdT82SC 09-19-2006 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ruf-porsche
Originally posted by techweenie
FWIW, in the tech industry, HP/Compaq is considered to have been a very smart move.
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Dell

Except that Dell has been losing market share to HP recently. The consumer PCs HP sells under the Compaq name undercut Dell on price in part by using the AMD processors. HP has been so succesful doing this that Dell is selling AMD PCs now so they can compete on price with HP.


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